The LAST Coin of the LAST War

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have been capturing various cool Carthage coins, as many were eradicated after the 3 Punic Wars. It DAWNED on me: Carthage made coins up until their ultimate destruction in 146 BCE... "Carthago delenda est"

    I did not HAVE one from the Third Punic War... AND, it is of BILLON which is NOT a Carthage metal that I have (I have Bronze, Silver, Electrum, and Gold... but no Billon)



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    Carthage
    Third Punic War with Rome 149-146 BCE
    Billon Serrate Double Shekel
    12.83g, 26mm.
    Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: Horse standing right, pellet below raised left leg
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 403.
    Comment: Very fine, several (cleaning?) scratches.

    Notes:
    Scarce. From the last issue of Carthage before its destruction by a vengeful Rome following the Third Punic War (149-146 BC). The serrate edge is found on both Electrum and Billon coins of the period and is similar to the flan treatments of contemporary Macedonian and Seleukid bronze coins. The reason for this added detail remains a mystery. SCARCE (only 2 listed on ACSearch.)
    Jenkins & Lewis pl. 28, 14; MAA 100b; cf. SNG Copenhagen 403 (pellet below back legs)
    NONE listed on CNG Coins
    Wildwinds: 160-149/6 BCE

    Rome completely obliterated Carthage as a City and an Empire in 146 BCE, eradicating the City, killing most of the population, and enslaving the remaining survivors. The Romans both FEARED and HATED the Carthaginians from their two prior Punic Wars.

    Third Punic War:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War

    I further checked my SNG Copenhagen North Africa plate book (glad I have this). There were a few last issues of Carthage coinage simultaneously minted. However, it is a stark reference to see coins listed to 146 BCE, then NONE until 37 BCE with Carthage as a Roman Colony.

    CARTHAGE with the Double Harbor
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    Marcus Porcius Cato - Senator - CATO the Elder (234-149 BCE):


    Always ended his speeches "...in my opinion, Carthage must be DESTROYED!"
    "Carthago delenda est"
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    Please feel free to post any of your CARTHAGE coins!!!
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    A very nice example Brian. Does this complete your collection of a coin from each of the wars?
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Yes and no. I have all of the Punic Wars and issues from the Mercenary Wars. I need to gain more from the Sicily Wars, etc. Even have some from military mints moving with the Barcids in Spain, Hannibal in Bruttium, scarce Capua - Hannibal occupation, etc. etc. There are actually many other types that I want to explore.

    I never truly set out to build a Carthage set. I was actually looking for those Empires, Cities, States, etc. that interacted with Rome during their Republican Period. Carthage was very crucial to Rome's history during that time, and my collection started growing.

    I have several that I have targeted... and I have so many other coins from other areas outside of Carthage that interacted with Republican Rome that I have or want to get...
     
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  5. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    What a coin! Great score!!! I'll toss mine up later...too hard from this phone.
     
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  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Brian, I get the feeling I've seen that terrific coin before LOL...Just wonderful!!! Super presentation too!!!

    This is all I have, three bronzes (and that new Tet I've posted several times)...plus a Cato to fill it out a bit.:p

    carthage.jpg carthago example.jpg carthiginian budget example 221-210 bc.jpg rr M Cato quinarius.jpg
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Awesome-awesome on your post... yeah, I JUST got it a FEW MINUTES AGO!

    Fedexed from the UK, paid for it on TUESDAY, 14-Mar! Nice service. :) I use Fedex whenever I have the option...

    I was also going to invite any CATO Coins!!!

    SO! EVERYONE, please post any CATO coins!!!
    Or any other cool coins from this period!
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  10. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    politics make strange bedfellows... here's a group of enemies/friends/opponents
    1st a Carthage (400-300bc) bronze Tanit/horse palmtree-3 pellet. 2nd, Pyrrhus ae bronze coin while he was king of Syracuse(278-276bc) working with the Carthaginians against Rome and last but not least a quinarius of good ol Cato the elder(89bc) Phonician coins Carthage tyre city coin 001.JPG Phonician coins Carthage tyre city coin 003.JPG ae Greek Pyrrhus coin, Syracuse mint 278-276bc 001.JPG ae Greek Pyrrhus coin, Syracuse mint 278-276bc 002.JPG quinarius Cato the Elder 89 bc 001.JPG quinarius Cato the Elder 89 bc 002.JPG
     
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  11. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    @Alegandron Nice coin and write-up!
    Just as Republican Rome expanded, RR coin collections tend to expand. The tuff part for me is to figure out what belongs in my collection and what is really neat, but just outside of bounds. From two recent auctions.

    I put this really neat coin of Bruttium just outside.
    Bruttium.jpg

    This Pb Conch shell that might have been used for weighing Aes Rude I put just inside.
    Pb Conch Shell AA 3.15.17.jpg
    Conchiglia piombo, probabilmente utilizzata come peso monetale.PB.g. 55.00mm. 32.00
    In English thanks to google translate -
    Clamshell lead, probably used as coinage weight. PB. g. 55.00 mm. 32.00
    Note that 55 X 6 = 330 => this is about the weight of an early Roman Sextans.
     
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  12. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Cato the Elder died circa 149 BC so it can't be him. Remember the Romans only had like 5 names(only slightly exaggerating) so there is a lot of reuse.
     
  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    GREAT coins! I feel the same as you on the boundaries. Unfortunately, I also have a bad habit of blurring my boundaries and get a lot of cool ones too! OR, I just say, "yeah, that fits!" under some arbitrary rules that I make up! :)
     
  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Perfect! nice coins
     
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  15. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    lol yeah, i know and that thought crossed my mind as i wrote that down, but.. the coin bears his name and was minted with him in mind at the time:) Vivat et res pulbica
     
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  16. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

  17. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    lol, yeah, but its really kool because we can use these coins in different historical context. i originally bought that Pyrrhus coin only because he was Alexander's general. now i can post it because it was minted there and @ that time:)
     
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  18. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's a cool coin, i didn't know there were serrate punic coins!
     
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  19. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    me neither, i learn something new everyday here:)
     
  20. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Wow that was fast! Did the shipping cost a lot?
     
  21. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A very sweet addition and great post! 1526418_647024778667770_752791330_n.jpg
     
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