Buying a high value raw coin on eBay? (1943 Ireland Florin)

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by catbox_9, Mar 9, 2026.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    A gamble, for sure, and it would’ve been too big an acceptable risk for me personally, but if you get lucky and it pays off, then… wow.

    I lay your odds at less than 50% on a gut check, but I’ll cross my fingers for you nonetheless. Please let us know the outcome!
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Ha- my 1943 halfcrown was also a F15 slab crackout, though mine was cracked out of one of those really early PCI slabs with the photocertificate in it. I guess the slab was late 1980s or very early 1990s vintage while I bought it around 2003 or 2004, which was when I “completed” the Irish predecimal series (minus the ‘43 florin). The Dansco albums weren’t quite as hard to find back then. I did pretty well when I sold the collection in the three albums.
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    This is the only Irish coin I own now.

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  5. catbox_9

    catbox_9 Member

    You are a lot more optimistic than me. I was 20% when I bought it but the more I think about it I'd put my odds at 5% so in retrospect I probably made the wrong decision here as the cost of doing this is probably only worth it with odds of 10% or higher.

    Normally I would never dream of buying a coin like this raw, but finding it in any condition graded or raw is all but impossible. I'm not sure what I would pay if one ever came up on HA, but apparently it's at least $4000 but realistically I'm not sure it's possible to get one for under $10K.
     
  6. catbox_9

    catbox_9 Member

    That's a nice coin. I don't have any of the proof milled coins. I have the 1928 proof set and had that graded but I probably need to replace most of them as the grades were all pretty mediocre.
     
  7. catbox_9

    catbox_9 Member

    As promised I did send this to PCGS and as expected it came back counterfeit. Oh well. Now I just need to wait for them to send it back to me so I can return it.
     
  8. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Sorry to hear that. I just saw this thread and was rooting for you. Thanks for sharing the journey and the result.
     
  9. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Ah, too bad! But it was worth a shot.
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Bummer. But not a big surprise to me.
     
  11. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    It would be useful if they told you how they came to that conclusion, but I'm guessing they weren't that forthcoming? I hope you get refunded without any trouble, in my opinion they should have to pay the PCGS fee too.
     
  12. Aunduril

    Aunduril Well-Known Member

    Sorry to hear I was rooting for you though out this whole thread. Let us know how your experience getting your money back with e-bay goes.
     
  13. catbox_9

    catbox_9 Member

    The coin arrived from PCGS today and it says counterfeit - altered date on the do not holder sticker.

    eBay/the seller agreed to give me a refund but I'm still out the $200 or so I spent shipping the item to PCGS and the rush grading fee.
     
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  14. realeswatcher

    realeswatcher New Member

    Haven't checked this forum in quite a while... this thread caught my eye as had recently noticed this seller's listings. ONE look at the types he was offering (notably the high grade German/Swiss taler-types) and the experienced eBay buyer knows exactly what they're dealing with here. All fake, every single piece. There were a rash of (usually interrelated) sellers in the mid-2010s offering these types from ever-changing IDs.
     

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  15. catbox_9

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    As another update I got my refund and now the seller won't stop emailing me asking to remove the feedback. He says he's gonna send the coin to NGC for a second opinion (lol). The latest email is the most unhinged yet.....

    Hello Buyer, I am also a victim regarding this 1943 coin. Please help me remove the negative feedback. I am willing to pay $650 as compensation for the PCGS fee. What do you think? Thank you again.


    $650 is obviously way more than it cost me, but there's also no way for him to actually do this via eBay. I would also assume buying feedback is against eBay policy?
     
  16. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    That's weird. I would ignore him. Glad you got your refund.
     

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