ANACS vs NGC

I'm not going to dignify this blatantly sexist remark with any kind of acknowledgement.

 

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You just did though

 

If this were true, then over time grades wouldn't change. That is the textbook definition of consistent.

 

The overwhelming majority haven't changed.

 

Charles Morgan of CoinWeek...Who? Sorry, never heard of the guy so put me down as an ignorant old cuss. So Charles is going to change the system?

Please keep you PC opinion to yourself as easily verifiable facts don't need to be dignified by the uninformed .

I don't know how many three-day or one week grading seminars you ever attended so I'll be happy to repeat what I posted: Women and students who know nothing about coins are easier to teach, and learn to grade coins (technically) faster than most of the "Ex-Perts" in class or posting around here ever will.

Ever take a college course on any subject? What gender tended to ruin the "grade curve" for all of us party-going males? Give up? The females. When they all score over 90% the teacher cannot justify raising the D's and F's of the males. After all, the test was not hard.

 

did that a long time ago

nope... sorry... pot talking to kettle about uninformed

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone has heard yours here on this forum for months... now it's your turn. Deal with it.

 

I am; and here is the deal as I see it: The typical responses of an uninformed person (on any subject - but grading expertise in this case) is to attack the messenger and change the subject. Well done.

I made the following statement: "Women and students who know nothing about coins are easier to teach, and learn to grade coins (technically) faster than most of the "Ex-Perts" in class or posting around here ever will.
I gave an example to back it up. Here is another example from the mouth of a TPGS employee to make his point to the class: "A woman can walk into a pitch dark room and see the cookie crumbs next to the floorboard behind the couch! That's the reason females are more often better graders than men. So take your wife to the shows with you.

So, let's forget the PC comment. What do you disagree with about what I posted.

 

The big problem, from MY point of view, IS the near-manical demand for "consistency". Sorry Mike, that's really my view. Am I to somehow believe that the "old school method" is the better one for grading coins, but not for nearly every other human endeavor on the stinking planet?

We no longer bleed people to treat (most) diseases. We no longer obsess about whether the universe will slow its expansion and gradually come to a stop and re-collapse, because we have found the rate of expansion is accelerating. We, other than a few paleo-economists from the New Right, no longer obsess about monetary aggregates in macroeconomic thought. We no longer have a geocentric model of the solar system.

In short, "consistency" is the hobgoblin of tired minds, people who think we no longer think we can learn and improve. I'm willing to almost perpetually chuck out everything I've ever learned, because nearly always we're improving, refining, approaching true wisdom.

The body may grow old and wear out; the intellect doesn't have to do so. We merely choose to allow it.

 

Well, you need to keep up, too, then, because Charles Morgan runs a great website and podcast called CoinWeek, and has the NLG awards that say so. (I'm figuring Mike and Matt didn't submit entries.)

 

I'll give him a try. I have listened (for less than 10 min. ) to one podcast in the past that was so much "fluff."

 

Neither Matt nor I have ever submitted our work for any awards. We figure that if they come, they'll come. We're pleased to know that what we do makes an impact, but we're not going to toot our own horns. That's for others to do.

 

He concentrates on interviews with "giants". Think Legacy Dinners without the video, or the filet mignon, or the prawns, or the Jack Daniels. Oh heck, pretty useless then, huh?

I suggested he needs to raise his recording levels. I need to max out my volume on his, but Mike's recording levels are a closer match to most audio files I listen to.

Charles took over editorial control of CoinWeek.com when David Lisot decided to specialize on cointelevision.com, where "people can purchase several of my ANA Money Talks on DVD". Ad finished.

 

Welp, snow seems to be wrapping up. Looks like about 18". Oh boy. Cardiac endangerment here we come!

 

Stay safe. As I recall, at least around Lancaster anything much more than a foot at a time was enough to shut everything down for a day or two. Don't be a hero.

 

take it easy shoveling snow, Kurt

 

Exactly this. Numismatics is the only area I can think of where learning was supposed to have stopped three decades ago because we already knew everything. I think a lot of it is just some people will never accept the TPGs and this is the angle they use to try and discredit them now.

Yea, but they aren't divulging any secrets or really anything that helpful. It's just like a fireside story chat of bar stories.

 

The boots are all funky. Been 14 months.

 

It took this long to get on the serious boots with the felt inner boots.

 

It is also possible that some people are trying to understand the grading put forth in their guidelines.

I earlier questioned that what they do is value coins more than grade them. If this is what they do, they should be Valuing (appraising) services, not grading companies.

 

@baseball21 I understood what you posted until this at the end:

"Yea, but they aren't divulging any secrets or really anything that helpful. It's just like a fireside story chat of bar stories."

Can you give an example of a grading "secret" that one of the "big guys" could divulge? I cannot think of any grading secrets. It's not like telling us how to tone a coin so it passes a TPGS. Perhaps the grading secrets are so secret that only the finalizers know them.

mikenoodle, posted: I earlier questioned that what they do is value coins more than grade them. If this is what they do, they should be Valuing (appraising) services, not grading companies."

Perhaps the TPGS actually do grade coins rather than place a value (as they claim) on them. This is easily confirmed. That's why I would think that each of us posting here (especially an educator such as yourself) should know that a slabbed MS-65 1880-S Morgan dollar can have several different values - even when sold in the same auction.