Here are two slight disappointments. The first is and isn't a disappointment..... I have posted this here before an 1876 Seated Liberty quarter. It came back as an VF 30 Cleaned,however it was as stated an MPD-002 That makes up for the details grade. Now it is an R-7 coin that value on par is $40 and that is exactly what I paid for her....4 years ago. My reference source "A quick reference to top MPD's" By Flynn values it in VF at $275. stating that it is very rare less than 6 known and "none certified." The second coin is an 1827 Bust Half that also came back detailed "cleaned " in XF 40 Somewhat of a disappointment however a coin this old most probably has been cleaned at one time in its life span. I was really concerned over the toning bagging it but that's not what got her detailed. Yes somewhat disappointed but yet happy to know even that they are detailed I have the first 1876 MPD-002 certified and two really nice coins with great eye appeal .
My limited submissions to ANACS have indicated to me that they are leaning VERY much towards labeling coins "cleaned". That's not necessarily bad; they call it as they see it and for 19th century coins they are very likely correct. But it doesn't give any room for grading coins that were lightly cleaned years ago and have naturally retoned over time. I believe NGC and PCGS DO take that into consideration.
Thanks Kanga as I may take that into consideration and try a cross or re grade using one of the two. I also believe at present time Anacs is grading on the conservative side of the curve. And are less forgiving as both specimens above in hand look a lot better than the grades received .
Don't try a crossover. I believe that is only for PCGS>NGC or NGC>PCGS. And wait for others to chime in but I also believe it would be better to crack out the coins before you submit to PCGS or NGC, i.e., submit them as raw coins.
The 1827 images are a bit small for anything conclusive - as if "conclusive" is really possible with borderline toning - but it may be the character of the toning itself which prompted the opinion. I know, for myself, that I immediately suspect any circulated coin which shows a nice toning pattern, and then allow evidence upon closer examination to prove otherwise. The age and desirability of the coin (is it likely, even circulated, to be held long-term in toning-favorable storage conditions?) tends to count in its' favor. Even in those images, though, I can clearly see it's a strong XF that's very easy on the eye. I'd own it.
Also agree my experience has been that they are quick to label things cleaned. PCGS you can do a cross over with ANACS or ICG as well. NGC only takes PCGS coins for it
That has been my experience as well. I've submitted error coins to ANACS numerous times and find that, despite their lower cost, I generally net less for the coins after sale because of concessions made for lower than expected grades. I was also dinged by them in a recent submission for two coins which I unequivocally believe are legitimate mint errors, but which they declared counterfeit. I may challenge them on one count with a lengthy "white paper" because I believe it to be a nearly unique, perhaps even a discovery error type. The other coin (purchased from another CT member) I wouldn't sell for a lot, so it doesn't make sense to put lots more time into that one. Live and learn . . .
See this is and always has been my issues with TPG'S . Yes I want the coin graded as to what it is no more or no less. I totally understand that yes we are humans and that said are subject to making mistakes. But personally I am seeing more and more no matter what grading service huge errors in grading and attributions . So my question is this who do you trust? Personally I trust myself ,and yes understood there will be someone who may or may not disagree . Back in the 60's again whether buying or selling a specimen you discussed the coin and its condition. You either purchased /traded or passed. Then the only person at fault was yourself rather than some so called expert who is grading how many coins in an 8 hour day?
Last year I submitted a solid 56 PF TYPE 1 Franklin ...has 67 obv and 68 cam rev....it came back 65 type 2. I sent it back to them with a note to re-grade and it finally came back 66 TYPE 1. Should be a 67 TYPE 1! Some coins come back higher than I expect but lower for the most part. Most come back as I would expect. I,m not the best grader on the planet, but when I compare low graded ANACS coins to PCGS and NGC higher graded ones, I sometimes see no real difference. I guess for $10 a coin I can,t really be too critical with ANACS though...I will always buy the coin and not the slab, as most others should do.
Yeah, I've got a nicer Barber half that I really need to crack out of its "EF40 cleaned" ANACS slab and get to PCGS. Two out of three dealers, one specializing in Barbers, told me they though it should grade cleanly. It's a technical VF30 or 35 IMO, but as a semi-key date, it might get the bump to EF again. They also gave a 55 Details to a gold eagle that DOUG guessed at AU58! The details grade was for a rim bump that most people didn't think should block it.
When i hear the word unique and/or discovery coin it immediately piques my interest. Would you, good sir, mind sharing a photo of said coin, and/or posting a link to a thread IF indeed you started one??? Thx
