Hello everyone, just have a quick question for you: I have this Germany (Bavaria) 1871 Thaler that I'm trying to attribute. There are three types for this year, from what I can tell: KM 886.1 (it's not this one, because the reverse design does not match) KM 886.2 ("New arabesques under arms") KM 888 ("J.Reis below truncation") So, it's either the 886.2 or the 888. I'm wondering if someone here more fluent in Thaler can help me out, as there is a pretty significant difference in price between the two. Here's the coin (yes, looks like it's survived an old cleaning, but still has lots of detail):
PCGS-attributed 888: http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-Stat...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 One from an NGC Registry: https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinView.aspx?sc=389772 Purported 886.2, on a Russian site: http://www.coinshome.net/ru/coin_va...-WHMKbzbiYgkAAAFGksN7qw4M.htm?catRef=KM-494.2 This might be a question for @Zohar444.
It's already cleaned, so...lol (Side note: I wish the ANACS $8/coin special extended to world coins. I have a few coins like this that could use some attribution without too much care as to what ANACS says the grade is.)
no, i haven't. sounds interesting, i still watch the old tv series(used to be on primetime on KETC) and the old movies. i think tonite i'll watch The Meaning of Life again
yes i bet, they have far too many for me to remember them all. is KETC still on the air up there in st louie? back in the 70's that's who turn me and my family on to MP.
Well...the only time I watch television is when I stay in a hotel room...but a quick google search revealed that yes, it is still running pledge drives in the Lou. Did it also get you hooked on MST3K?
O yeah! lol, i've been watching that too on hulu, everyday in fact for the past month>< that's one of my favorite shows and where i get a lot of my banter.
Just wondering if the OP got this one figured out. I might be dead wrong but to me the lousy picture of the 886.1 on NGC's site looks like it has the younger head by Voigt on the obverse, (I assume the 886.2 is the same). The 888 has the head by Ries. Neither of my coins have the correct reverse but they show the two obverses. Edit:Or maybe Ries made a different design, after looking I'm not sure my second coin matches the OP coin! Maybe I just confused the issue, just trying to help.
@longshot - thanks for posting yours. Yeah, I took them over to the World of Coins forum and had one person say it was the KM 888, although it was someone with only 58 posts...so I'm waiting for confirmation before I roll with that answer.
Must be KM 888, then. You said yourself that the first one was NOT, The second one has arabesques under the coat of arms, But this one indeed has the "J. Reis" below the truncation of the bust. If the other two don't have "J. Reis" (that's how I'm reading it), then it must be 888. Otherwise, your particular coin hasn't been ID'd by Krause. (??)
Well, here are the exact words of that person: "Yours is KM 888. The first two KM numbers both have C.Voigt below truncation, the difference between them being only the arabesques." This would lead me to agree with you that having both J. Reis and the arabesques (which means something different to me from my background as a dancer) makes it the third choice. In my defense, my digital copy of the Krause has coin images that are not always very legible, and the descriptions for the first two do not mention the different designers' name:
I had the same deal, neither the Krause nor NGC's world coin site show a real good picture or specify the designer for the 886 design.
You have run into a classic problem with the SCWC. It has been rehashed by so many people and converted to so many different programs that it has become a confused mess. With the poor quality pictures at this point it may be best to go back to the beginning and start over with the old Davenport numbers. For the Bavarian Ludwig II/Crowned arms rev. type here is my basic version;D609: Obv. part in hair G Voigt below neck, dates 1864-1866. D612 obv. no part in hair, G Voigt 1866-1871. D613 obv similar but on rev fancier Arabesques and larger lions support arms. 1871 only. D614 Similar but J Reis under neck. 1871 only. Hope this helps. Fred
