This is a phony ANACS slab for sure! But, I was asked, How much does this 1905 weigh? It was easy to remove from the slab. It weighs in grains at 69 to 70 grains. Could I get some more info? If it might be real, Why the FAKE ANACS Slab?
I looked up the ANACS Certification number on this slab, 3006899, on the ANACS serial # website --> http://anacs.inetlogic.com/. This is what came up. [TABLE="class: hideBeforeSearch ui-helper-hidden"] Certification Number Coin Type Coin Date Mint Denomination Variety Superlative Grade Name [TD="class: ui-widget-content"]3006899[/TD] [TD="class: ui-widget-content"]LINCOLN[/TD] [TD="class: ui-widget-content"]1909[/TD] [TD="class: ui-widget-content"]S[/TD] [TD="class: ui-widget-content"]1C[/TD] [TD="class: ui-widget-content"]VDB SCRATCHED[/TD] [TD="class: ui-widget-content"][/TD] [TD="class: ui-widget-content"]VG-8 Details[/TD] [/TABLE] So, the slab is clearly a fake. The coin is likely a counterfeit.
I didn't even notice that # I own that 1909 S VDB VG8 scratched and all these coins came form the same place. I bought this huge lot of coins for $3000 and meet the person at the local public library to make the transaction. I already posted the 1909 S VDB with a 1877 IH in US Coins on Coin Talk. GO! Look at that # on the 1909 s vdb THANKS! so, it's a fake! 1905 IH?
Well it is a Coin World shell with an ANACS hologram (Either they were able to remove the hologram or they put the ANACS insert into the Coin World shell with a new front label.) The real oddity is the weight of the coin. While there are IHC struck on quarter eagles, the quarter eagle weight would be 64.5 grains +/- .25 grain So 69 to 70 grains is way too high. What is worse is that the INC only weighs 48 Grains +/- 2 grains. So it is WAY too high to be a regular IHC. It is closer to the weight of the quarter eagle. BUT the quarter eagle in 1905 was 2 mm smaller in diameter than the IHC. This piece is fully struck and full diameter for the cent. The other cent on quarter eagles I have seen don't have the full diameter. So I would say fake, but I'm not sure how it has been faked.
I was thinking to send it to PCGS in this slab, to have them authenticate it's TRUE identity. Would everyone here at Coin Talk, AGREE? or DISAGREE? I'll wait for some responses! 213sarah
Someone made this to fool some one.using a AMOS slab you can buy anywhere coin suppys are sold I marked an area any Tpg would have there name in plus its on the wrong side to
I was gonna say before, and no offense here at all, the label inside the case doesnt even look 100% square and straight to me? Or its not centered perfectly? I dunno... I'll tell you this however.....THIS on is real! http://www.ebay.com/itm/1900-Indian...74?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3f12eea776
Your right! When I took this apart to weigh the coin, that front insert just fell out, and all it is, is just a piece of paper and also true! it's not even square. The ANACS does appear to be real and it is also stuck to the insert. The only thing that appears to be Authentic is the ANACS hologram. This thread, has been FUN! LOL 213sarah
But you can save $100,000.00 if you drop a grade to MS64 and buy eBay item 270999176407 which is only half a million bucks.
WOW! Now it all makes since! This coin was to deceive, and rip someone off. I had no ideal if this was even a REAL error. I thought maybe someone was tring to come up with something like the 1943 d COPPER! You know, a 1 of a kind error! I'm just going to keep it just the way it is and add it to my FAKE & COUNTERFIT Collection. WOW! $500,000.00 IHC this is my BEST coin EVER! to add in my F&C Collection! Although it S@#$$ in a way! Excuse my @#$%^ GOOD FIND????
If you look at the linked ebay auction you will see that the coin is smaller than a normal IHC. Due to the smaller planchet size most of the rim is missing. I'm still curious why Sarah's coin weighs so much.
As has already been mentioned, the holder (plastic) is nothing more than a $1 Coin World special. While the white inserts (IIRC) are no longer made, when CW first started selling their slab-like holder, white was an option. However, it is possible that the white insert is genuine ANACS as the sizes are identical in size to the CW holders. While this is a poor attempt at faking a slab, Coin World also sells a slightly more expensive slab-like holder that is very close in appearance to the old-ANACS slabs, and could potentially pass as genuine with only a quick glance or to someone unfamiliar. Not long ago there were a few guys hawking such "slabs" locally. They were using genuine ANACS inserts/labels inside of CW plastic, but placing the reverse sticker on the outside of the slab to cover the "Coin World" logo. The coins used inside were either genuine details, alterations, and/or counterfeits. I can only speculate, but it is likely that the real coins were being resubmitted to a TPG while the inserts were used in this scam. Anyways, my point is that it may be a good idea for anyone unfamiliar with old-ANACS slabs to be extra careful, particularly when buying from an unknown. Of course it could be argued that if one cannot grade/authenticate any slabbed coin, they should not be buying at all, but is a different story. Basically, its always best to know what you're doing before purchasing.
I would venture to say that every coin you bought in this big group are mostlikely fakes. It appears that you had a run in with a con artist. The coin you have in this thread don't even look like gold , it looks like it has some reddish toning on it. gold remains a golden color and it would take thousands of years to try to tone and still may be nice and yellow. if this coin is heavier than copper it may have a lead core. I sure am sorry to hear this happened to you. the 1909 S VDB and the 1877 IH cents are the two dates that are counterfeited most often. I hate fake coins and the people that make them.
