2009 penny reverse question

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  1. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    What caused these lines on the reverse? 2009revey.jpg 2009revey3.jpg 2009reveycr.jpg
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    If they're raised, they are probably scratches or gouges on the die. If they are recessed, the marks are PMD on the coin.

    Chris
     
  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Thank you @SchwaVB57 for my 12,000th Like!

    Chris
     
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  5. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    You are welcome, and thank you for the knowledge you share on the forum!
     
  6. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    It's just damage, unfortunately.
     
  7. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Is the E PLURIBUS UNUM incused or raised above the field on this coin type? (It looks raised, but I can't remember if some of the lettering is like the National park quarters). If it's raised, then why don't the scratches go through the N in UNUM?
     
  8. 7Jacnum

    7Jacnum Member

    Just looks like PMD to me
     
  9. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I'm a big fan of William of Ockham and my first thought was obvious PMD, but the N is bothering me. Looking for a good explanation on what I'm missing if it's PMD.
     
  10. SharonG

    SharonG Member

    I am really new and learning so excuse me but what is PMD. I plan to get some books but right now I have coins all over my house just looking and learning..lol
     
  11. CatW

    CatW Member

    Post Mint Damage meaning it was not damaged until after it left the mint
     
  12. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    raised or incused, wouldn't the scratches be on top if it were PMD?
    I added another picture at a different angle... 2009reva.jpg
     
  13. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    From that angle it looks like metal in the N could have been displaced by a scratch. Still not 100% convinced but leaning strongly towards PMD
     
  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    To me the arks on the cabin look like damage. The marks through UNUM looks like a die scratch or gouge.
     
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  15. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    Thank you... at the risk of posting to many photos of this penny, I will post one last one. 2009revscr.jpg
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Incuse.
     
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  17. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    That explains it. Scratch. Sorry for dragging it out, UNUM looked in relief and I didn't bother to dig through my stuff to find one and compare
     
  18. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    something to keep in mind is that if the scratches are below devices, like they are with UNUM, the marks could also be on the hub (which would make the marks incused on the coin just like damage would).
     
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  19. CatW

    CatW Member

    In this statement I was just explaining PMD. I could tell from your first pics that it went under the N. I have a quarter or a nickel that has this same thing under the letters along the rim. My guess was that the planchet already had the mark...but I dunno. Im holding onto mine.
     
  20. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    The marks on the OPs coin look to be hub gouges as they seem to go under devices. If they were raised, I would say die polish marks, but since they are incused, and don't continue through the devices (as damage would) I would say that they are hub polishing gouges.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2017
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