Let's try this again. 1909 VDB Cent.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by The Meat man, Mar 7, 2026 at 12:00 AM.

  1. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Shortly after making the mistake of buying a 1909 VDB cent based off a deceptive "stock photo", I managed to find and acquire a replacement specimen. I like it. It's got nice color and mint luster and I think it's honest. Would this one would rate "mint state", do you think?

    Be sure to check out the video below showing the play of light off the surfaces. :)

    Lincoln cent 1909 VDB.jpg
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    CU Lincoln Cent, Wreath Reverse (19.0mm, 3.15g, 6h)
    Dated 1909. Philadelphia mint
    Obverse: Bust of President Abraham Lincoln right, IN GOD WE TRUST above, LIBERTY to left, date to right
    Reverse: ONE CENT / UNITED STATES OF AMERICA flanked by two wheat stalks; E·PLURIBUS·UNUM above, V.D.B. (engraver's initials) along bottom edge.
    Mintage: 27,995,000
    Rich orange-red color with flashy mint luster.

    In 1904, President Theodore Roosevelt expressed an interest in improving the artistic quality of US coinage, including the cent, which still utilized the Indian Head design introduced in 1859. The year 1909 would mark the 100th anniversary of the birth of Abraham Lincoln, and it was decided that the new cent should honor that revered former President. It was designed by sculptor Victor David Brenner, approved by President Taft, and released to the public on August 2, 1909.
    The new design, which was the first in US history to feature the portrait of an actual historical person, proved wildly popular, with long lines forming outside Treasury facilities as people sought to obtain the new coins. A brief controversy arose over the placement of the designer's initials "VDB" on the reverse, and they were quickly removed - but not before nearly 28 million "VDB" cents had already been minted in Philadelphia. However, at the San Francisco mint, only 484,000 VDB cents were minted before the change, making the 1909-S VDB cent one of the most sought-after of all US coins.


     
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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I love seeing the ghost of Lincoln on the reverse of a lustrous beauty.
    I am in the AU+ camp from back in the day. Thats a nice one IMO!
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    1909lincolnObv-side.jpg Looks like it's "spanking brand new!". I also have one but less than Mint State.
    Great Lincoln ghost on reverse. What's that called @Pickin and Grinin ? I forget. A die clash? I couldn't find one on the Mad die clash website.
     
  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That's called indirect die transfer, it happens as the dies soften. Paired obverse and reverse dies begin to take on the opposing die face's designs and traits.
     
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  6. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Okay, I sort of understand now. Like this.... Progressive Indirect Design Transfer
     
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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Beautiful coin @The Meat man. From the photos I would have to say she had a beautiful ghost of Lincoln on the reverse. It’s the result of an indirect die transfer. Photos can be hard to grade a coin but I would have to say she’s a high AU or a low MS.
     
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't understand why people are saying AU on this coin. I see no trace of wear at all. I see no flattening on any high points, I don't even see discoloring on the high points. I see no interruptions in the luster in the field.

    Anyone calling this AU is wrong.

    I'd easily call this MS-63. Some dings and spots limit it, but it may even be 64 in hand.
     
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