2016 P Dime DDO and DDR??

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by littlecoin, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. littlecoin

    littlecoin Member

    Trying to find my first real doubled die!
    IN this dime, I see doubling in both the obverse and reverse letters, full letters with serifs though I have to grant that one of the 2 images is often too "flat" except, in particular, the L and R of "Liberty" and the letters in "dime" which seem to have a thickness to both images that is similar and includes the serifs..
    There are die breaks over the cheek, brow and sides of the nose ....don't know the meaning but I'ld like to know if seeing this is an indication of die deterioration or totally unrelated to it.
    I read you need "splitting" of the serifs, but I don't now what that means visually.
    ALso..isn't it extremely rare to have DDO and DDR on the same coin?
    Magnification of all images is 30x and i cropped but did not enlarge the pictures.

    I don't think it's machine doubling, maybe it's a DDD. But I'ld reaaaaally like it to be a DDO and DDR :p


    Awaiting your diagnosis...maybe I am curable.
    ty :)
     

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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It isn't always necessary to have split serifs apparent for a coin to be a doubled die. If I recall, I merely posted an image for you of split serifs on another thread so you could see what they looked like.

    As for die deterioration, the telltale factor that indicates that the obverse die used for your coin has undergone some amount of deterioration is the small, parallel striations pointing toward the rim.

    It does look like there might be a small die gouge below the crossbar of the "E" in DIME, but I'd need a clearer close-up to tell for sure.

    Chris
     
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  4. littlecoin

    littlecoin Member

    @cpm9ball
    Ok so it's deterioration (DDD). Darnit LOL
    Ahhh those were the splits! I called them overlapping-slightly-offset-serifs in my head to remember the image. Thank you! :)

    Here's a pic of the E (there is a cut - like cut with a knife - under the middle bar of the E). Die gouge sounds like a good name for it but I have not seen one.
    And the word dime all looks "bloated" as if a huge bubble was under it..or like a rolling hill..it's not too prominent and it's smooth but it's definitely higher than the rest of the coin and has the shape of the lower half of the coin.

    Thank you again.
     

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  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    If there is a gouge on the die, the mark on the coin would be raised. If the mark on the coin is recessed, then it is PMD.

    Chris
     
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  6. littlecoin

    littlecoin Member

    it's like a crack (indented) along the lower border of the middle bar of the E...weird place for PMD..or maybe it's a shadow (i'll look again, i'm OCD, just to see)

    it's worthless in any case right?
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    If it was caused by a crack in the die, it would be raised on the coin from the metal that would flow into the crack. PMD can occur anywhere. There is no rhyme nor reason when it comes to things that can happen while in circulation.

    Chris
     
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