How to remove a carbon spot

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Stevearino, Mar 3, 2017.

  1. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    IMG_1803.JPG Hi all,
    I searched the archives concerning removing carbon spots but find myself still uncertain as to how to proceed. The coin in question, 1966 Kennedy half, is not valuable but I want to put it back into a holder some of you may have seen titled "Strange but True!" (comparing Lincoln and Kennedy). The spot is in the field at the back of Kennedy's head and is very unsightly. My young grandson won a writing contest and is very interested in presidents. What do you recommend? A way to remove the spot or chuck that Kennedy and replace it with a normal one? I've tried Verdi-Care with no luck.
    Steve
    PS This is the first image I've tried to post. I'm of the generation that didn't grow up with digital technology. Used my iPhone. Constructive criticism warmly accepted.
     
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  3. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Waiting to hear from the experts, but my guess is that, even IF possible, it would be much easier and cheaper to get a replacement coin.

    (And I don't even think it is possible to remove carbon spots, but heck, I'm just a newbie!)
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm reasonably certain that's not a carbon spot, but yeah, that's what most people call spots like that.

    Look at the very center of the black spot, see that little dot there ? Well I'd be willing to bet ya that little dot was at one time a tiny piece of foreign material (organic) that somehow got onto the coin. And during the decay of that tiny piece of foreign material it caused the black toning that you see around it.

    Now could you remove that black ? Yeah sure, but when you did you'd be left with a light colored spot the same size or maybe a little bigger. And it would stand out and be almost as unsightly as the black one.

    So your best bet is to just replace the coin.

    The lesson here is two fold I guess. One, that is usually best to just replace coins that have spots because even if removed there's still going to be spots of a different color - unless you treat the whole coin - as in dipping it.

    The second lesson is that when you see spots that have a tiny little spot at the center of a different color, usually lighter in shade, it's a pretty safe bet the spot was caused by organic material of some kind. And it can be almost anything up to and including saliva droplets, which are often the most common cause.

    Carbon spots, real carbon spots, are going to be tiny, tiny little black spots, solid in color. And they are going to be embedded into the metal. And they don't ever increase in size. As opposed to being "on" the metal as foreign material always is, and which does increase in size leaving a lighter colored spot in the center.
     
  5. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'll address this end, since Doug said all that's needed on the main subject.

    Set the iPhone on a solid base, pointed straight down at the coin. Use a monochrome background - black, white, grey - to give its' camera the best chance to get color correct (not that it's bad in your image). You may need to experiment with distance a bit to determine the optimal combination of sharp focus and image size - your image is a bit out of focus although plenty good enough to see what you needed seen here. I wold be hesitant to grade from it, though.

    Trigger the shot remotely, without touching the phone. There are a few different ways to do this - earbuds with a volume control can be used with an iPhone. This prevents any chance of introducing vibration from your touch.

    The coin should be presented square to the viewer, with no rotation. This makes visualizing features and spatial relationships easiest. Yours is a bit rotated counterclockwise. Crop the extraneous background away after the shot, right to the edge of the coin. None of that background is necessary, and it interferes with the final image size available to the viewer, especially if you're not reducing the filesize. The image is 783kb as it is; cropped just to the coin it would be down around 500kb or less.

    Be picky, and hold to a high standard of quality. iPhones are terrific coin cameras, and there is no reason why you cannot shoot gradable images of all but the smallest coins with one.
     
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  6. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    And yay he doth say onto all, "Sneeze ye not upon thine coins."
     
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  7. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    also why go through such a lengthy process for such a common coin???
     
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Because he has a personal attachment to it and he wants to give it to his grandson. But at the same time he also acknowledged that it could be easily replaced.

    And maybe, just maybe, he wanted to try and learn something so he posted his question.
     
  9. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    @GDJMSP, thank you for the distinction between real carbon spots and what is likely saliva from the "person or persons unknown" who put the little set together. @SuperDave thank you for the very helpful advice. I'd appreciate advice on how to crop an image I take on my iPhone; I'm at a loss as to how to go about that. @Kasleeroy,
    I wanted to experiment on something of little value; that is why I wanted to go through this process. As our esteemed moderator said in his post, it's likely to prove futile, but I will experiment anyway. The lesson I learn here will hopefully keep me from destroying something valuable in the future. Thank you all!
    Steve
     
  10. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    @SuperDave, please ignore my question about cropping an iPhone photo. I mentioned it to my wife and she showed me how. It seems that my wife and I, although we are both senior citizens, each have a LITTLE expertise with modern technology and it is nice we can teach each other instead of calling our children and grandchildren for help :happy: .
    Steve
     
  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Funny how that works. :D
     
  12. Evgmgospel

    Evgmgospel New Member

    If the coin is not valuable but more common, it would be ok to use "Coin Care" on the coin with a cue-tip. Yet that does not always work. Because this is a more common coin and if your willing to experiment try buying "Parsons Amonia" and puting some in a shallow dish just enough to cover the coin when laying it in the dish. Leave it only for 15 seconds at a time, rinse the coin in tap water and dry without rubbing, blott with tissue. remember the coin is not all that valuable and this proceedure should not cause abrasion on the coin.
     
  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Please don't ever touch a coin with ammonia.
     
  14. Mojavedave

    Mojavedave Senior Member

    Hey SuperDave, please explain to me, how ear buds can control the shutter. Thanks much for your post. Dave
     
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  15. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I have read that connected earbuds trigger the shutter when the Camera app is open via "Volume Up."
     
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  16. littlecoin

    littlecoin Member

    <taking notes> hoping to hear how to remove those and how to remove verdigris and just plain old dirt without damaging a coin (maybe i'm dreaming but i wonder what's under the grime)
     
  17. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    It's twue, it's twue.
    [​IMG]
     
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  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Hey, watch that...I'm 5 years older than you. BTW, who wants to go to the trouble or expense to buy another coin and what the heck are you going to do with this one. The very first thing I would try is to wash your hands and gently place the coin in the sink so that the water hits it and run hot water over it for several seconds. Might not do anything, but can't hurt. Now, there are two ways to go, a drop of potassium hydroxide (what you don't have any!) or MS70 applied with a cotton applicator, allowed to sit a few seconds and then rinsed off with hot running water, or the application of some eZest with a cotton applicator followed by a hot water rinse. With either (or both) way, follow by blotting with a soft cloth.
     
  19. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

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  20. Evgmgospel

    Evgmgospel New Member

    Of course your right not to put ammonia on a valuable coin, this isn't!
     
  21. littlecoin

    littlecoin Member

    I have about 50 coins that were wrapped in masking tape. :(
    I used warm water and a Q-tip on some but stopped after I started reading and understood rubbing the coin could erase some marks that are key (not only for grade but for detecting errors). There they sit, with hardened glue on them...till I know what to do.
     
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