Whats this 1799 dollar/cent worth?

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by jwitten, Feb 28, 2017.

  1. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    And is that even what it is? It's going to be in a coming up auction locally, and this is the only picture posted. What exactly is it, and what could it be worth, if the reverse was similar condition? Thanks!
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  3. CoinBreaux

    CoinBreaux Well-Known Member

    It would help if you had a picture of the reverse. You have a 1799 Silver Dollar, I would place it at around VG 8 due to the wear on the face. If this is real it is worth around $1000, but I am not sure if it is real. The stars look a bit funky. Although, I am not an expert so I'd wait for others to chime in!
     
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  4. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    This is the only picture the auction company posted. I will see it in hand before bidding, if it is worth going. What are the two wide areas on the left rim?
     
  5. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    Need a picture of edge lettering if possible. Reverse would be nice too. Nice coin.
     
  6. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Compare. 1799_Dollar_Obverse.jpg
     
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  7. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    The B in LIBERTY is correct. Here is mine for comparison

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  8. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    That might be better than 35. I could see 40. Very nice coin PennyGuy.
     
  9. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

    I agree I believe it would bump up to 40 as well. Very nice example for sure.
     
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  11. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    I agree, bought it many years ago, and standards change.
     
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  12. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The reason I said that, is that the VF's seem to have more flat areas of wear, and I really like the sharp details on your coin. The reverse at least a 40-45 and the obverse almost 40 (38 if that is even a grade).
     
  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Nothing definitive regarding authenticity, but under magnification I'm seeing (I think :p ) a spiked first 9 and the smaller, spidery lower pair of stars known for a few varieties of 1799 (6, if I recall). The reverse is imperative for complete attribution, of course. Like I do every time I post in an Early Dollar thread, here's the site I use for attributing Early Dollars:

    http://www.earlydollars.org/wizardhome.htm

    You don't need "the book" for them any longer. :)

    The face shown here doesn't do any better than G6 to me, and at that I have to be generous to the rear of the hair. The reverse could change the grade somewhat. Two healing rim bruises at 8:00 and 9:00 and probably a third at 3:00. I'm concerned about a curved arc of *something* extending from 17 in the date to the star just left of LIBERTY. Hole in the field (or something) next to the third right star. Below and in front of the ear is an area of reflectance which could be just a crease in the mylar, or it could be a sign of a postmint depression in the cheek. Overall, the odd wear pattern makes me wonder if it's been bent.

    All in all, ain't no way I'm reaching past what I'd consider an appropriate Good Details price.
     
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  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Dave, the comment has been edited. But what is your opinion on the alignment of the B in the OP? If the coin were bent, I assume that could move the alignment.
     
  15. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    What would that price be? I know nothing about these things, but have always wanted to own a coin from the 1700's.
     
  16. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It looks a bit high and rotated clockwise relative to the other letters (although I see a bit of that in the E as well), as one might expect.

    I was hoping you wouldn't ask that; it's easy to be dispassionate about an evaluation but not so much about the price. :)

    Based wholly (and insufficiently) on the single small image offered, I would not exceed $500 for it and would far prefer to be able to get it and slab it and make money on reselling it at $475-500. This obverse isn't a Green Bean even at G4-G6, I don't think. I need to see the reverse.
     
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  17. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    So if the reverse is similar, $300-$400 should be fairly safe?
     
  18. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    As long as the obverse pic isn't blatantly lying, I don't know if I'd care what the reverse looked like for $375. :)

    I would want the reverse technically 5 points better than the obverse to reach 5 bills. I honestly don't think it straight grades, but may be wrong due to age and circulation.
     
  19. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Using the
    Using your guide and the obverse, I believe it is the B-17 because of the position of the hair tops.

    Just using Large Cent type diagnostics.
     
  20. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

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  21. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Unless there is a high grade set, then bulk silver and gold prices should be the rule. Check spot and go from there.

    I'd be interested to see 9. I suspect it is a heavily worn 1795, but who knows?
     
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