Anything Special? Gothic Florin

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by 7Jags, Jan 15, 2026 at 5:15 PM.

  1. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    Here is a nice florin for your selection. Is it a goodie?
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  3. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Well-Known Member

    1863 ?

    1863 Fine. £1300 VF £3000 EF£7500 UNC £17500
    1863 proof rare
     
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  4. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Is it 1863? I don't see a date. Was Maundy money ever not dated?
     
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  5. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Well-Known Member

    The date is in Roman Numerals to the right of Victorias shoulder.

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  6. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    It's a beauty and I don't know much about these gothic Florins, love the design though! thumbsup.gif Below is a graded 1880 and her face looks a little bit different than yours. Different because it's a different year? idk, may be legit, I have doubts but who knows?! :shame: If I'm wrong feel free to educate me! :D

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  7. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    I think yours perfectly legitimate, and there is some variance although most think they remained unchanged from the original accepted 1848 pattern (there were others).
    This one is particularly nice and indeed is a Roman numeral dated piece of extreme rarity especially in condition. The only scarcer CURRENCY Gothic florin is the 1854, and the proof 1851 (no currency issue of that year) valued higher even if not necessarily scarcer than a high grade 1863. This replaced the specimen that was almost as nice that I lost when my wife left and took it with her.
     
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  8. The Meat man

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    Very nice coin. Am I missing something though? According to Numista, there are 13 other dates in the series that have a lower mintage than 1863, and two that are lower than 1854. But perhaps the Numista numbers are incorrect?
     
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  9. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    I love the design. One of the nicest in any series.

    Bruce
     
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  10. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    No the mintage numbers FOR THE YEAR are correct but that is the number struck, even if some or many bear another date (ie. The 1854 number struck would then include pieces dated 1853). Hope that makes sense.
     
  11. The Meat man

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    So you're saying that, for example, some of the florins minted in 1870 (1,080,600) bear the date of 1869 and thus are to be added to the exceedingly low mintage number (297,000) given to the year 1869?
    If this is the case, is there any way to know how many "overlap dates" were minted in a given year?
     
  12. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    In short, no! There were no specific records of which coins were struck when but seems to be the case that none were struck for upcoming or future years. It can not be said for certain either that other earlier dated dies than just the previous year may have been used. Steve Hill at Sovereign would likely substantiate this.
    1863 florin is a perfect example in that 1862 is also a scarcer (but not as rare) so there would be raised suspicion that coins other than 1862 & 63 were struck in that year.
    This is true of virtually all denominations to the best of my understanding and confuses the situation. Rarity is hard to estimate because of this and survival rate is not equal in any case so best on scarcer to rare pieces to follow auction and sales records if at all possible.
    BTW, 1869 and 1870 generally thought to be scarcer dates of florin....
     
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