I waited 13 years for a chance to buy this coin!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by lordmarcovan, Dec 18, 2025 at 5:49 AM.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    I am a maternal descendent of the two Adams presidents of the United States (John Adams and John Quincy Adams). Ever since I learned that the Massachusetts Historical Society sold the family coin collection of John Quincy Adams (the sixth president) in 1971, I have wanted one of the coins with that provenance.

    Around 2012, my friend Gil purchased this Roman Republican serrate denarius with a JQA pedigree, from Civitas Galleries- for what I considered to be a song. I pestered him countless times to sell it to me, but he held on tight.

    There is a JQA-pedigreed coin coming up for auction on January 15th, and I liked it. I was prepared to bid as high as $1K to get it (and even then was not overly optimistic about my chances).

    But lo and behold, Gil just contacted me and offered me, via private sale, his coin I've so long admired. At the $600 delivered I just paid him, he will triple his money (he got the thing quite cheaply 13 years ago, as I mentioned). But good for him. I am delighted to finally obtain my JQA coin, and for a price I'm quite satisfied with. It was a pedigree I was willing to pay for.

    Aside from the provenance (it was Lot 510 in the 1971 sale), it happens to be a nice coin. It will also be my first serrate denarius.

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    My famous ancestor was the first US president to be photographed. It seems like he always had a rather stern or sour expression. I would not want to have opposed him in the courtroom when he was practicing law!

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    *Yes, I used the terms "pedigree" and "provenance" interchangeably. Mea culpa.
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2025 at 6:55 AM
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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    How awesome, LM. The best things in life are waiting for!
     
  4. Randy Abercrombie

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  5. Denis Richard

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  6. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    All things come to he who waits.....:)
     
  7. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    All I can say is AWESOME
     
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  8. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    Fantastic! That's a beautiful coin!
     
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  9. Tall Paul

    Tall Paul Supporter! Supporter

    That is so cool. Especially so because you can hold in your hand a coin that your ancestor once held.
     
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  10. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Now that's a pedigree worth far more than money. Congratulations on getting that special coin.

    Bruce
     
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  11. BuffaloHunter

    BuffaloHunter Short of a full herd Supporter

    Congratulations on getting this personal historic piece. Really nice looking coin, for sure.

    Thinking of getting it entombed? I wonder how hard it would be to get the necessary documentation to have that pedigree on the plastic.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Yes, and I’m going to find out. I will submit the coin to NGC at the FUN show and will present the documentation in hopes they’ll add the pedigree to the slab label. That’s been hit or miss with them in the past.

    One potential advantage is that this coin was apparently a stand-alone lot in the 1971 sale, as opposed to some JQA pieces that were broken out of lots in the sale that originally included multiple coins. (So those have diluted provenance like “part of Lot xxx”).
     
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  13. Yankee42

    Yankee42 Well-Known Member

    You need to grow out your sideburns to celebrate.
     
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    My father-in-law kinda-sorta has the look, if not the sideburns.

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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Congratulations. I've shown it before, but will again ad nauseum. My only JQA example. Sold at Stacks in 1971, Lot 785
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    VESPASIAN
    Æ Dupondius
    OBVERSE: IMP CAES VESP AVG P M T P COS V CENS, radiate head left
    REVERSE: FELICITAS PVBLICA S-C, Felicitas standing facing, head left, holding caduceus & cornucopiae
    Struck at Rome, 74AD
    10.2g, 28mm
    RIC 716, (RIC [1962] 555), Cohen 152, BMC 698
    Ex: J.Q. Adams
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Awesome! Who else has any?
     
  17. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Congrats, I don't have any JQA coins, but I have an example of the same type you bought. Mine was $40.

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    Q. Antonius Balbus (83 - 82 B.C.)
    AR Serrate Denarius
    O: Laureate head of Jupiter right; S·C behind
    R:Victory driving quadrgia right, holding reins, palm frond, and wreath; E below horses.
    Rome Mint
    3.7g
    18mm
    Crawford 364/1d; Sydenham 742b; Antonia 1
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Solid buy at 40 bucks!
     
  19. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Well-Known Member

    Congrats on your fulfilling your long awaited dream coin!
     
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  20. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Congratulations. That stern look was common in photos and paintings from the 1800's for several reasons. First, exposure times were so long it was hard to hold any other expression long enough to photograph. Second, getting a picture taken was considered serious business, too important to spoil with a silly, undignified grin.
     
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  21. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Congratulations on getting the coin you really wanted and at a decent price. It’s a beautiful coin.
     
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