Confusing 1939 LWC? Anyone know the deal?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by SensibleSal66, Dec 16, 2025 at 5:07 PM.

  1. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Found this in a box of assorted items. I think I got here somehow. It's graded by a "basement" grading company called NGS (Numismatic Grading Service). MS65 also!!
    Can anyone tell me why Lincoln has gone gray haired? I thought these coins were 96% Copper and 5% Tin and Zinc? How is it showing the Tin and Zinc? Is it Post Mint Damage? Why was it graded MS65? So many questions, so many presents to wrap!!! :eek:
    1939OBVLINC.jpg 1939RevLin.jpg 1939graded.jpg
     
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  3. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    I would call that damage. Maybe it wasn't quite that bad when it holdered and they thought it was toning.
     
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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Lincoln’s hair turned gray due to his age. :smuggrin:
     
  5. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    It was that danged war whut dunnit.
     
  6. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Not a chemist, but I suspect it is toning of some kind, and whether it showed that badly or not when originally graded, many graders would not let toning alone lower a grade. Many people seek out unusual or "pretty" toning, and would consider it a bonus. Personally, I consider all toning a kind of environmental damage, since something in the environment had to chemically react with the metal on the coin's surface. As is often said of damaged coins, "It didn't come from the mint that way." That spot could be where someone, perhaps a Treasurer of the United States or other official, held the coin at one time and had something unusual on his thumb. Perhaps at some point someone pushed it into a coin holder or album slot.
     
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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I think so. :shame:
     
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  8. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Looks like heat damage. Zinc has a lower melting point than copper so it tends to rise to the surface.
     
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  9. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Powder burns? :troll:

    Maybe it's residue from re-used acetone, or from some dipping crap that didn't rinse out all the way.

    96% and 5% = uh oh.
     
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  10. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Sorry. Public school plus old age. :yack:
    Then again, I do things 101%. ;)
     
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  11. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    I like BadThad's reply. It would be similar to copper spotting on gold.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Just toning, I reckon. Maybe heat related, as mentioned.

    Don't need to tell you that "NuGrade" is a Third World service with no reputation. "NGS" might as well stand for "Nobody Grading Service".
     
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  13. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    It's very dark on the reverse opposite the silvery area. Not sure if that means anything.
     
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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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