Plautilla Bronze

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  1. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Plautillas bronze coinage from the Rome mint is very hard to find. While most of her Asses seem to be casts, Sestertii do exist but there seem to be less than five known.

    My As seems to be a so called "Limes Falsum" (contemporary casts made with official permission to ease the shortage of coins in remote regions during military campaigns).


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    PLAUTILLA AVGVSTA / PIETAS AVGG S C
    Limes-As, Germania (?) 202-205

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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    Plautilla
    Limes Denarius
    Unknown mint, AD 202
    2.01 g, 18.2 mm
    Obv: PLAVTILLAE AVGVSTAE, bare-headed and draped bust, r.
    Rev: CONCORDIAE AETERNAE, Caracalla l. and Plautilla r. standing facing each other and clasping hands.
    Refs: Cohen-11
     
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  4. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Those are neat and hard to find! Here's my only one.

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    Moesia Inferior, Tomis. Plautilla AE25 DionysosAE25. Obv. ΦOYΛ ΠΛAYTIΛΛA ΣЄB. Plautilla bust right. Rev. MHTPO ΠONT TOMЄΩC. Tetrastyle temple with statue of Dionysos with cup and thyrsos. Moushmov 1995.
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The term I have seen applied to asses of this nature was 'Cast in Gaul'. The odd part to me is many of them were types we might call special including Plautilla and 'better' reverses. The lot I purchased recently included a duplicate of my Geta / Minerva feeding snake type. RIC 148 lists it as R and mentions that Cohen 111 lists a 'Cast in Gaul'. I would really like to know the complete story on these coins. Has anyone seen one that is 'Struck in Rome'? BMC 863 Plate 52, 8 is another cast but they say Paris has a real one. I just received a note from the BN in Paris saying it would be 4-5 years before they posted their Imperials. They now have a lot of Provincials up (895 Domnas). I will look forward to seeing their collection if it gets posted while I can appreciate it.
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Cool bronzes guys! Love the OP.

    I only have an AR version

    RI Plautilla 202-205 CE m CaracallaAR Denarius 3.7g Concordia patera scepter RIC 363 O-R.jpg
    RI Plautilla 202-205 CE m CaracallaAR Denarius 3.7g Concordia patera scepter RIC 363
     
  7. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    This silver coin of hers is listed as scarce. Cohen 16. Plautilla O       Ric IVi-367.jpg PlautillaCohen 16scarce.jpg
     
  8. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

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  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Nice addition.
     
  10. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the VERY late reply, but I just noticed that the second of the ANS specimens you mentioned (supposed to be from the Rome mint, but underweight like my coin) looks very much like a die match to my coin!!!

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    PLAVTILLA AVGVSTA - Bust draped right
    PIETAS AVGG S C: Pietas standing right, holding vertical sceptre and child at breast
    As, Rome (?) AD 202 - 204
    23,0 mm / 6,27 gr
    BMC 323.804, RIC IV Caracalla 581 (as)

    What does this mean?
    1) Is the ANS coin an (ancient) cast itself from the same prototype as my OP coin?
    2) Is the ANS coin indeed an official product of the roman mint and my coin a cast from a coin of the same pair of (official roman) dies? (that would be an interesting insight into the work of the "Limes"-coin producers!)
    3) Could both coins be official products from the same pair of dies (I doubt it)?
     
  11. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    I would say the ANS spec. is probably official and struck, while yours is a "cast in Gaul" deriving from a similar official coin from the same dies.

    As far as I have observed, all of these Gallic casts derive from authentic struck coins from official dies.

    The Gallic casts are usually in yellow metal; ditto your example. The ANS coin, in contrast, seems to be in red copper, confirming that it probably is an official struck As.
     
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  12. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Bronzes for Plautilla (alone) are also fairly scarce in provincial issues. One example:
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    Plautilla; Nicopolis, Moesia inferior; Æ 25. Obv: Her draped bust, right. Rev: Athena standing facing, head right, and holding spear and shield, the latter on a small base. SNG Cop__no examples; BMC___ (a single example for Plautilla); Varbanov (Engl.) 3189. This coin pictured. HrHJ (2018) 8.21.4.3 (same dies).
     
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