underestimated here

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ro1974, Feb 19, 2017.

  1. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Hmm. You've had it since 2010 but another with the exact flan shape and exact off-centering, obverse and reverse die match, was sold by Hirsch in 2014? That doesn't bode well for at least one of the coins :(
     
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  3. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    RO,

    the flan shapes are exactly the same and so is the centering and strike. One or both are casts OR they are the exact same coin. With hand-struck ancients you don't get two authentic coins with exactly the same shape and strike like this. If you got yours in 2010 and the Hirsch one sold in 2014 that rules out the latter...
     
  4. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    i found my first picures 2014
     

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  5. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    is my coin a cast 11.3 g is my coin
     
  6. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    i brought my coin 2012, i had found the bill
     
  7. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    mabye it is indeed the same coin thanks
     
  8. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    I buy my coin 2012, that coin for was for sell in aucion 2014 it is not the same coin
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    If they are not the same coin, then one or both are cast. I have my fingers crossed that yours is the authentic coin. Where did you buy your coin? Is it possible to bring this to the attention of the seller?
     
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  10. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Something is wrong here. If they are not the same coin, one or both are fakes. As @red_spork noted, the unusual centering and flan shapes are the same. That can't be for two authentic coins.
     
  11. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

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    picture from the edge thanks:happy:
     

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  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Awww, that sucks ... I hate it when coins get called-out as fakes, eh?

    ... but sadly, it's so fricken obvious that those two coins are identical (FAIL)

    :(

    ro, that's too bad (I like you)

    Ummm, is there any chance that they are the same coin, rather than two coins?
     
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  13. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Sorry! I had the same issue with both my Otacilia Severa Medallion and my Nero Claudius Drusus Sestertius. I gave up when the third example with identical flan shape, centering and strike showed up, even though half of those were sold as genuine in major auctions. It least I got my money back in both cases :)
     
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  14. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    This is a real mystery, I agree: two Galba asse struck with the same exact die, with the same shape of flan, and both equally off-center...Even the degree of wear seems the same.... That would be very unusual, if not impossible.
    It would be really sad if your nice Galba as was suspect, Ro!
    Is there any chance you can contact the auction house and let them know your concern? I certainly would. It was not that long ago.

    I hope all turns out good for you:).
     
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  15. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    that is a kool bronze of galba.
     
  16. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    i don't know, it seems like the edge on ro's is showing normal wear w/o cast telltales. but it does seem strange to have two different coins looking so exactly like each other. i guess anythings possible, but it boggles the mind.
     
  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Are you sure about the date you bought it? The pictures you took were shot on June 6, 2014 and the Hirsch auction with the identical-looking coin took place February 13, 2014. Yours sure looks like the same coin after an aggressive cleaning and repatination.
     
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  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    IMHO, the two coins are not exactly the same. However, the differences are minor and are nothing that two cast forgeries wouldn't share if 'weathered' differently.
     
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  19. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    If the timing were possible, I'd agree with @TIF.
    If the timing were the other way around and @ro1974 no longer had his coin, I'd say it was his coin with the smoother surface applied before the auction photos were taken.

    However, ro has asserted the timing is wrong and it can not be the same underlying coin. It is hard to be confident about the timing with so much evidence they are the same coin. If they are not, as has been said, one or both is false. Looking at the auction coin photo, I think it has an applied surface.
     
  20. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    I am sure about the date,30 january 2012
    i am think about to stop with collecting, not with the forum.
    Great help coin mates.
     
  21. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    what? ... you're gonna stop ancient coin-collecting?!

    Dude, that would suck (there has to be a better strategy than that?)

    ... why not "ask before you buy"
     
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