This thing just sold for $500

If you are going to deface a coin then by all means you should use an ugly one like a Morgan dollar rather than one with an attractive design.

 

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I suppose the old saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is applicable here.

 

Yes, and a well-done hobo is beautiful; a Morgan dollar obverse, on the other hand, is the second ugliest general issue coin design in the history of the US mint. Shame too, because the reverse is actually nice.

 

you're crazy, they are beautiful!

 

Admit it! You just like busts!

Chris

 

Well, I don't just like busts; I also like some rears--see above comment about Morgan reverse.

 

Yeah, the Morgan eagle looks a lot better than the "funky chicken" on some of the older coins.

Chris

 

Those are awesome

 

There's a great difference between using a tool to create something with the talent in one's own hands and using the abilities of modern technology to do so. Your failure to admit this simple reality in favor of more self-promotion and BS only continues to prove my earlier point.

You're avoiding the question, and as usual, deflecting. Don't give me this crap about "sculpting from scratch" and simply answer the damned question for once: did you CARVE this in the same manner as the OP example, and without the use of your little computers and CNC machine? This isn't about some little drawing, but how what you posted was produced. Stop implying it to be something it's not.

You're "waiting"? So your 64 Morgan copies must be a figment of my imagination then? Again and as always, you're again deflecting. You know damn well what I'm referencing and asking about, but just to play along, here it is again in your own words...



You said it, so just show the intestinal fortitude to back it up. Where is this Treasury Department statement you openly declared would allow you the free and clear to make your own copies? You were the one who said you "would CERTAINLY wait until more information comes out", so please prove you're a man of your word and simply post it.

 

The reality is, talent resides in the brain, not the hands (which are controlled by the brain).

I produce things the same way most modern mints do - sculpting digitally and engraving on a computer-controlled machine via [digital] reduction. Unlike other mints, However, I use a digital sculpting program that I wrote myself because I wanted certain features. No other engraver or mint has done that. That is how I made the carved "hobo" nickel I showed earlier. It isn't a secret - you already knew this.

If you don't like it, or don't like things made via computer, then you should ditch that Mercedes because it was made using computers. Instead, you should get a horse-drawn buggy or something like that.

The "more information" that I was waiting for was not from the Treasury Department. It was from the group of numismatists who observed in the Philadelphia Mint archives the 1964 Morgan master hubs. All indications are, and everyone agrees that, no "1964" Morgan Dollars were issued.

 

Incredible art! I need to see more of this!

 

You know Dan, you're kinda like the President Trump of the coin world. No matter how many people like you or how many people support you, their is always a cult following of haters and no matter what you say, it is always turned one way or another into something far off what the point or moral of the story is, kinda sad.

 

Why am I not surprised you haven't a problem taking a swipe at those who can actually use their hands to create; its par for the course. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, you wouldn't catch half the slack you do if you just showed a little class? The unfortunate "reality" is you haven't the slightest problem criticizing the work of others yet poo poo whenever the favor is returned, even when "your" supposed work is nothing more than an exact copy of others. It's ridiculous!

Of course I knew it, but it's also not what you conveniently implied.

Again, this thread and my original post was about someone using their hands to create, yet you respond by posting something that wouldn't exist if not for technology. You can spin all you want, but this is fact. I never said computers have no purpose, nor do I see anything wrong with them being used to create, but it's not the same as creating with one's own hands and is something that seems beyond your ability to comprehend.

I posted your own words. YOUR OWN WORDS, yet we're supposed to believe you simply misspoke? Is it a habit of yours to refer to a "group of numismatists" as the "US Treasury Department"? Just man up for once, stop being a weasel, and actually address the question. It couldn't be that you were conveniently spewing BS when you made the claim, could it?

This is no different from when you repeatedly denied ever openly voicing your opinion that the Gallery Mint's dies were "illegal" even though I posted undeniable proof from the very thread in which you did. No says "US Treasury Department" unless they meant the United States TREASURY DEPARTMENT, or at the very least some government agency, so just own it. Again, here you go...

 

Is it safe to assume you're a "hater" of the words their, there, and they're? You mutilate them every other chance you get.

And please don't insult the president like this. Agree with him or not, he and the office he holds deserves better.

 

Alright guys, time to stop.

 

Hands are useless without a brain to control them.
People without the use of their hands can still be creative.
People without the use of their brain are not creative.

I have to use my hand to manipulate the mouse when sculpting. Nothing is automatic. Every contour has to be defined manually, in free-form fashion. Digital clay is no different than physical clay in that regard.

Here is a drawing that I did by brain (and hand), using physical colored pencils. I could also produce the same sort of thing using a "paint" program where every stroke of the mouse is equivalent to the stoke of a pencil.



So, I will use whatever tools I want and that is the way it is.

I never stated that I thought the Gallery Mint dies were illegal. I pointed out that, on the surface, it might appear that any such dies would be illegal according to one specific statute (which was apparently conflicted by later legislation).

I never stated that I was waiting for information to come out from the Treasury Department. The two sentences were intended to be independent events. Anyway, I did wait for more information to come out before proceeding.

 

Dan let's focus on getting me my coins I've been so patiently waiting for

 

Do you have ANY idea how much more enjoyable these threads are when you have @BooksB4Coins on ignore? I was wondering who Dan was arguing with, and then I noticed the notice on my ignore.

 

If you're interpreting the sentence you quoted -- a simple statement of anatomical fact -- as a "swipe" against those who work with their hands, that seems like a pretty clear indication that you're just venting, and not even trying to listen to what "the other side" is saying.

OK, I guess CoinTalk Rules 1 and 2 can be suspended when moderators agree with the poster's position.

 

Sorry, I do not agree with either poster entirely. Books post #18 was snarky , but evidently didn't cross a moderators boundary, Dcarr's #21 similarly, even though edited, so for my part ,both are at fault. Neither can stand to keep quiet. I let it go as I assume other moderators did, until a complaint was reported, so now:

Stop the arguments, Both of the above mentioned, Books and Dcarr, Now. Any further posts in this thread by others that cross the line will be watched carefully.