Louis IX Gros Tournois

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  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I have been looking for a decent price on one of these for a few months. When this one appeared I jumped at the chance.

    If my research is correct Louis IX (5 April 1214 – 25 August 1270) was the only French king to be canonized. He is also know as St Louis. As you are aware, his name is everywhere.

    I really like the condition of this coin. Much of the text can be read. This coin shall take a place in my historical figures collection.

    Please post any related coins.

    The coin is 3.60 g and is 25mm in diameter.

    The photo is from the seller.

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice, nice to see one with much of the design on it.

    Got a small one of him.

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    LOUIS IX dit Saint Louis (1245-1270 A.D.)
    Denier tournois
    O: + LVDOVICVS REX Kreuz.
    R. +TVRONVS.CIVIS (N bouleté) / Châtel tournois
    .89g
    17mm
    Duplessy 193
     
  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice looking coin orfew! this coin looks like a "standard" medieval coin (like mats), with an extra row of legend/lillies on the outside.
     
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  5. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Very nice coins, both of them.
    If anyone is interested in finding out more about the gros tournois denomination and/or about the 13-15th century French royal monetary system, here is a good starting point: http://www.numis-club.fr/exposes/le_gros.pdf
     
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  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @seth77

    Tres intéressant, merci.

    It has been little while since I have had to read in French. It was enjoyable. I bookmarked the site as I know i will want to re-read it. One thing I learned was that at the time my coin was minted it was worth 12 denier and this was represented by the 12 fleur de lis on the border of the reverse.
     
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  7. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    There is also the obole tournois, which is a small billon denomination which circulated alongside the denier tournois and later on alongside the denier and gros tournois.


    My favorite example and one of the rarest is an immobilise type of Foulques d'Anjou minted around and/or after 1200:

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    Courtesy of Jean Elsen & ses Fils S.A., via acsearch: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1223215
     
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  8. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    C'est formidable!
     
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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @seth77

    An interesting coin. Are you actively seeking one of these for your own collection?
     
  10. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I'm not an active collector anymore, I'm just a numismatist with an interest in late antiquity and western feudalism.
     
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  11. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I've written two articles about the denier tournois and its popularity in both Frankish Greece and the Italian States. If interested, they can be read here and here.

    One is about a possible Jacques des Baux tournois of Morea and the other about a Nicola II di Monforte tournois minted for the Congiura dei Baroni.
     
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  12. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    nice big coin of St. Louie. i have one like mat's got. there's not too much bad written about him and he was the only king to be cannonized. i was born in the Mo. city that bears his name. denier st louis 001.JPG denier st louis 003.JPG
     
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  13. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    well that's kool Seth! i'm going to read your articles.
     
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  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @seth77
    I enjoyed both of those articles very much. As an academic I am aware that my own scholarly writings are often quite dry in character. However, your articles have brought your subject to life.

    Also, I now want a coin of guy de la Roche.
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I still enjoyed capturing a few of your coins!
     
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  16. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member


    They are quite available and what is interesting is that they are more common than the French prototypes. You are thus more likely to find a very nice Guy de la Roche tournois than a Philipe II Augustus tournois or even Louis IX.
     
  17. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Hello. I found this ( possibly medal) in my old folder or box. Hope it fits a little bit. St Luis.jpg St Luis R.jpg
     
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