Question about a 1921 Morgan

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Barney McRae, Nov 23, 2025 at 10:18 PM.

  1. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Supporter! Supporter

    I purchased this over a year ago, for no other reason than it was BU, graded, but more because it seemed very odd (and I snagged it during a middle of the day, midweek auction for about $50). What is going on with the obverse of this coin? Looks like a doubled profile, some minor clashing under the chin. I don't even care about VAMs for the 21's, so many it's not worth researching. I guess my question is that........is this a VAM or some other kind of abnormality??? :confused: I found an old saved image of it, thought I'd ask the class. 1921obv.png 1921r.png
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Usually it's "Strike doubling" or "machine doubling (same thing). I also see toning which makes it look more pronounced.
     
  4. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Supporter! Supporter

    All of that is above my pay grade. You got some splainin' to do Lucy.:D
     
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  5. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Ewwww! Ricky, here you go honey.....
    Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Fairly common. Kinda like a worn die.
     
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  7. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    love the obverse, the doubling is very pronounced due to bright back stop
    for only $50 bucks a great buy :)
     
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  8. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    I love the coin too. Congrats on a great pickup. I like "odd" too so it naturally appeals to me.

    Bruce
     
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  9. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

    Looks like advanced die deterioration doubling to me - they worked these dies long and hard in '21...
     
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  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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  11. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    WoW! You can really get confused there. :wacky: No wonder why people don't seek the variety. :wideyed:
     
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  12. Barney McRae

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    :D
     
  13. JAY-AR

    JAY-AR Well-Known Member

    Don't think it's the V20, 20A This looks to be a 16-berry reverse. The V20 has a 17-berry reverse. Doesn't seem to be any cracks, so can't use the crack guide:( One could try to match it with the scribble guide, but we'd need a close up of the leg breast gap. This is a tough one:pompous: 1921r.png
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    And that explains why I’m not a variety collector. I have some varieties but I don’t go after them.
     
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  15. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Supporter! Supporter

    Me either. I like the easy ones. Seems I've gotten the bug to collect 1886 VAM 1-C Top 50 clashes though. In order, MS67, MS66, MS65PL and MS64. :eek:
     
  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That’s a fairly common date so it should be affordable. :)
     
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  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Here are a few more double profile Vams. The scribbles most of them are where JAY-AR circled in his photo.
    Check these ones out. V45, 62, 64, 97, 116, and 134. These are the double profile for the 16 berry rev.
    Some of them are as easy as doubling on the Phrygian cap or polishing lines ER of Liberty, or RT of Liberty.
    Shouldn't be that hard.
     
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  18. Barney McRae

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    I'll just take your word for it, thanks for trying. But no effort will be given by me. 1921 issues give me a headache.:D If you look at them they really do not look like any previous Morgans on the reverse, I think they had to reinvent the dies?
    I've told this story more than once. The raw coin that PCGS ended up grading 67 was purchased for a little more than 50 bucks, plus shipping. There was little to no interest on eBay. Later I checked out the seller, they are a trinket/curiousity shop that doesn't really sell coins. Somebody likely pilfered Grandpa's collection and sold it to them for melt or less. The seller had no idea what they had in hand. Finders keepers!! :p
     
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  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Send it to me I will VAM it for ya!
     
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