Mexico 8 Reales - Fake?

I'm not able to find references with regard to this coin which is for sale.
I'm very tempted to take a chance buying it. Any ideas?
Unfortunately these are the only pictures available.

 

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Looks too good to be real. I say fake or cleaned....
How much? Weight and diameter are questions that you need to ask.

 

The coin was posted on a "Buy, Bid or Sell" webpage that is actually not used a lot.
The site is used mainly for selling second hand items (almost garage sales).
To mention .. i'm from Africa and if i buy this coin it will be the first 8 Reales that i buy. I'm an *ID10T* with regard to these coins. The price is currently less than USD 10

 

Sounds too cheap., even with the "counterstrike". I'd wait for more answers from "The Experts". Here is the Numista page.......8 Reales - Charles IV - Mexico – Numista

 

Thats a pass for me. Those aren't counterstamps/ the coin was stuck that way.

 

It is fake, it is wrong in too many ways to enumerate, just stay away.

 

It's fake. It has that artificial greyish color that many silver dollar counterfeits have.

 

Well, if you treat the subject coin as if it were a 'medal', <$10 ain't too harsh.

 

If it’s made of the “silver” the Chinese use in their Morgan “silver dollars”, you are paying $10 for pot metal.

 

I agree with Pickin and Grinin. If they are real counter punches there should be diminished areas around the punches where metal was pulled from.

 

Welp, first up, you've misidentified the coin. The host coin is actually a 1799 8 reales from Potosi, Bolivia.

The counterstrike is from Minas Gervais, a state in Brazil. These were done in the early 1800s (some sources say 1808)

Or it would be, if it were real (pun intended). If you search the heritage archives for Minas Gerais, most of these counterstrikes are quite crude. They nearly double the value of the host coin. I could be convinced that a genuine host coin (cleaned) had a fake counterstamp applied.... but I wouldn't touch this one without certification. A genuine piece would be worth $500 - $600 easily:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/brazil/bra.../a/3013-27382.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

 

Thank you all for your effort and input. I gained some knowledge regarding counterstamps. I might still buy it with the idea to compare it with a real 8 Reales in future.

 

Look at the 99 in the date.
There is no digit next to it. This is not a real coin. And I don't even know
WTH that 1960 smaller disc is doing there. This is a $1 Chinese coin. (AliExpress?)

 

Thank you very much for your input and effort. Much appreciated.

 

Thanks for the Link that you gave. How was the counterstamp in your opinion applied to the "real" coin. Was this set on an anvil die and had a positioned hammer die? Was it a steam press?

 

Yep, bigtime fake! ‹(•¿•)› Better luck next time!

 

For an authentic counterstamp on a real coin, it would absolutely have been an anvil and hammer die. The US didn't get steam press until 1836... no way a rural Brazilian state would have had that in 1808!

That's why most of the counterstamps are rather crude. They are small so a hammer is still pretty good, but it isn't great.

 

Did you read my post? That smaller disc is intended to look like a counterstamp from a Brazilian state in 1808.... not sure where you got 1960 from?

 

I'd let them know that it's a fake and offer $5 Free shipping.