A Serratus No more

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  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I just received this less than perfect "serrated" coin of C Poblicius and at first I thought there must be something wrong. There is no serration on the edge. However, upon closer examination, you can see where it once was serrated and has been worn to the point where it appears to be a smooth edge. If one looks closely at the lower left hand quadrant of the reverse, you can see what remains of the serrated edge. I assume it was a well used coin in it's time to have lost all the serrated edge.

    This was a dickens of a coin to photograph, especially the reverse. It took me quite some time and several shots to get this decent image.

    What drew me to the coin in the first place was the ugly Roma on the obverse, but hey, I'm not judging. Not everyone can be a Marcus Antonius in looks.

    Poblicius.jpg
    C POBLICIUS QF ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS POBLICIA
    AR Serratus Denarius
    OBVERSE: ROMA, draped bust of Roma right, helmeted & decorated with corn ears, control mark letter above
    REVERSE: C•POBLICI•Q•F, Hercules strangling the Nemean lion, club at his feet
    Struck at Rome 80 BC
    3.88g, 16mm
    Cr380/1, Syd 768, Poblicia 9

    Just for fun, this is what this coin should look like (not mine) from Wildwinds:
    poblicia9.jpg

    Post any ugly coins, or serrated/non serrated coins, or, what the heck, any coin you feel like posting.
     
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  3. Volodya

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  4. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Maybe it was clipped back in the day? Seems extreme for the whole edge to disappear and the images and legend to still be there (even if worn). Still a beautiful coin.

    Well, if you want an ugly coin, this is my ugly RR denarius. The celator did quite the nose job on the obverse bust of this ServiliusM.F. Rullus denarius.

    Servilius M.F. Rullus denarius (100 BCE).jpg
     
  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Maybe it's a dryer coin (haha)

    Dryer coin:

    1) In modern coin collecting, a specific form of post mint damage wherein said coin becomes trapped between the inner and outer drum, effectively hammering the edges and making the coin smaller in diameter. Kinda like a contorniate.

    2) A damaged coin frequently the cause of coin forum posts asking "OMG what kind of incredibly valuable error coin did I find" :D

    (for you curious types, here's a CoinTalk post explaining dryer coins, complete with diagram)
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I've heard of these before. LOL
     
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    CoinTalk alone gives 197 hits for the phrase and that doesn't even include the frequent misspelling, "drier". :D
    https://www.cointalk.com/search/2689915/?q="dryer coin"&o=date

    But back to ancient coins :). I don't have a de-fanged serrate but I do have one that someone filed. It's a fourree and I guess a prior owner wanted to see the cross-section. The filed area neatly shows the coppery core. I'm surprised it is still rosy in color. Usually copper turns dark fairly quickly.

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    Roman Republic, Lucius Aurelius Cotta
    105 BCE
    Fourree AR serrate denarius, 20 mm, 3.8 gm
    Obv: draped bust of Vulcan right, wearing laureate pileus; tongs and star behind; all within wreath and dotted border
    Rev: eagle standing on thunderbolt, head left; L·COT below, V to right; all within laurel wreath and dotted border
    Ref: c.f. Crawford 314/1c; Sydenham 577a; Aurelia 21b
    formerly slabbed, NGC ChVF, 5/5 strike, 3/5 surface

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Probably the 'ugliest' coin in my collection.

    V1312.JPG
    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 2.98g
    Tarraco (?) mint, 70 AD
    RIC 1312 (R3), BMC - , RSC -
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: COS ITER TR POT; Pax stg. l., with branch and caduceus
    Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection.

    This one is a judgement call. It looks 'Spanish' to me, Ian Carradice agrees. However, this same type was more commonly struck at Rome where the style varied wildly at this early stage.
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    What's the mass on the reverse?
     
  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Might it be a lump of solder? Perhaps this coin is ex jewelry.

    That's a really interesting portrait of Vespasian. He looks youthful and handsome.
     
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  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    A metal of some type. It's hard and I haven't tried removing it. Probably would be a disaster if I did.
     
  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It looks kinda like my JC which was holed and then plugged.
    Julius Caesar 7 a.jpg
     
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  13. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Yes, very similar. TIF may be right that it could be some sort of solder. Such a shame, being a 'R3' coin and all.
     
  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Big-Bro => congrats on scoring the worst serrated coin "ever"

    => you rock!!
     
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  15. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    I would never have guessed that was a fourrée. Neat coin. :)
     
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  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    There's a lot to look at on the coin so at a glance it is easy to miss, but look again. The silver has worn away on the eagle's chest, parts of the wing and leg, and a small area by Vulcan's ear. You can see the dark bronze peeking out.

    That's what is puzzling about the newly filed notch. It's not like someone was checking to see if it was a fourree-- that was evident on both sides of the coin. I guess someone was just curious.
     
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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I can see such a nice coin being the subject of an argument between two people (a seller and a buyer?) with one settling the matter with that edge notch.
     
  18. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    hu, that's interesting...a non-serrated serrate coin!

    here's the opposite maybe....this geta denarius has a single weird projection.

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  19. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    The serrated edges on this one are quite smooth and well-worn, though not to the extent of your cool, curious coin.

    IMG_3370.JPG
     
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  20. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I don't think its ugly, I kinda like. Then again, ugly coins are my specialty. :D :D 00_003.JPG

    007~1.JPG 008.JPG 015.JPG 022~2.JPG 024-2.JPG 028.JPG a3874.JPG aug1.JPG :D
     
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    randygeki Coin Collector

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