Question about 1864 2-cent LM

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by No_Ragrets, Oct 10, 2025.

  1. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    So... in my visit to the LCS today, I got to take a very close look at a '64 large motto 2-cent piece. It has a very clearly repunched date that doesn't match any of the pcgs listings. The doubling is very apparent on the 4, but also on the 6. Edit: The 4 is doubled so much that there is a 2nd crossbar.

    I'm having a difficult time locating anything resembling this RPD, so I thought I'd ask here if there are other RPD varieties that PCGS doesn't list. If I had to guess a grade, I'd venture to say it's a MS-63RB so it's not like it's some silly PMD. Anyways, what's the verdict on these RPD varieties? Only 4 for 1864 LM?
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Too bad that you don't have any pics, do you? o_O
    I think it has to be the 6 and the 4 though.
     
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  4. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    No, wasn't able to get any pictures. But I'm considering going back tomorrow to see if I can make an offer for it that exceeds the greysheet listing. Maybe then I can get him more motivated to sell it?

    Edit: greysheet listing for MS-63RB, not taking into account the RPD

    Edit again: I rarely visit on a Saturday, so that's going to hopefully be a noticeable difference. Not likely, but a guy can hope, right?:shame:
     
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  5. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Saturday? :eek:
    Isn't that when all the weirdo's come out?
    Skeletons.jpg
     
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  6. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    Yeah, which is why I'm a weekday kinda guy!
     
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  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    If memory serves, there are more than one 1864 copper coin which has a repunched date. I had an Indian cent that showed in high school. I’ll see what I can find in my books tomorrow.
     
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  8. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    I've tried matching it up with the four listed RPD's for the 1864 LM and couldn't get a match.
     
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  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Okay. No match= No deal. Sorry. Maybe someone has something else to say.
     
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  10. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    Kevin Flynn's The Authoritative Reference on Two Cent Coins C2011, lists 24 business strike RPDs for the 1864 LM. If you can obtain close, focused photos of the date, I will attempt to match up to the photos in the book.
     
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  11. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    I was able to get this coin today, so I can take as many pictures of it as my heart desires. These will almost certainly suffice, but let me know if you want any additional images and I'll get them uploaded. Thank you!

    1864 2C LM Obv Resized.jpg 1864 2C LM Rev Resized.jpg 1864 2C LM Obv Resized Date.jpg 1864 2C LM Obv Resized Date 18.jpg 1864 2C LM Obv Resized Date 64.jpg

    There also appears to be very slight doubling, aside from the Longacre doubling, on the reverse throughout "United States of America" and the top serif of the D seems to have been polished away.

    1864 2C LM Rev Resized UN.jpg 1864 2C LM Rev Resized ED.jpg 1864 2C LM Rev Resized AM.jpg 1864 2C LM Rev Resized AT.jpg 1864 2C LM Rev Resized CA.jpg
     
  12. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    The closest match to photos and written description is RPD-007 described as follows:

    "Repunched 1 seen above the base and top of the 1. Repunched 8 seen above the middle and top of the 8. Repunched 64 seen above the middle and top of the 64."

    The attribution is reinforced by the reverse description:

    "Incomplete D. Very strong clash marks seen below CENTS. STATES OF AMERICA show retooling"

    Your coin has the incomplete D and I think I see clash marks as described. I can't see tooling in your photo.

    Obverse description: "Very small die crack from top of the 1 west to the rim. Small die crack from the left banner edge to the left arrow tip through the bottom of IN G. Small die crack through the top of UST of TRUST. Die crack from the right bottom most leaf through the right feathers to the rim."

    I don't see any of those die cracks in the photos but they might be visible under magnification in hand and under different lighting. Maybe the die crack at UST.

    There is no listing of a DDO or DDR that includes this RPD.
     
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  13. No_Ragrets

    No_Ragrets Self-proclaimed Semi-Amateur Numismatist Supporter

    The clash marks and die cracks are definitely there, but those are more easily seen with the loupe. And perhaps I mistook the retooling as doubling? The "M" in America looks like it must have been recut or something, and I just saw several letters that seemed to have a 2nd ridge along their edges so I assumed it was just very minor doubling.

    But thank you for identifying this for me! It sounds like a perfect match for the RPD-007 according to your description.
     
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  14. ksmooter61

    ksmooter61 Scary ghost - BOO!

    Beautiful coin and a great variety! Congratulations.
     
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