wondering about this cent. notic the scribed line around the device. any clues?

You're going to have to explain how the exact same "die deterioration" occurred at three different mints. I don't think you've carefully examined the images I posted. Look at the pattern of "blobs" at Abe's Adam's apple for example.

 

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so i think i'll go with....made during the die manufacture. as the outer line on the field has to be a scratch not hand made. indication of an early strike. its odd color got it detailed as cleaned. true or not thats what i'll say.

 

to close out this thread, the best i can do to show what i see. the line in the field looks to me as some king of following devise (like on routers) that scratched the die. there is a second line opposite and parallel on lincolns profile. not as visible and not everywhere. all these lines are raised on the coin- best i can tell coin being slabbed. i am tired of thinking in reverse. i sure hope this foto shows that detail that i see on my screen,

 

lets put this in there

 

I realize that I am not Bad Thad. The line that is being referred to started showing up about 34/35. It is not a design element. It could have been a retooling, could be a worn hub. Die deterioration starts at the center and extends towards the rim. The line shows up in different spots around Lincoln till the end of the wheat series Could it be from a reworking of the master dies or maybe a bad Hubing? I don't know? I do know that the line is not part of the original design.

 

Simple, they all use dies to mint millions of coins. All the dies wear, they don't care what city they're in. Any "blobs" you're seeing are probably plating blisters or die gouges.

 

Maybe what I'm saying is too heretical or too nonsensical? Would circling certain features from my images on the previous page help? Look at the Adam's Apple for example - how do plating blisters or die gouges produce visually nearly identical features on multiple coins from all three mints?

Four 1935 coins

1935-D and 1935-S

 

I believe some of it is die wear, and some of it is just the anomalies that happen in the reduction process from the Galvano's to the working die.
Remember Philly made all the dies for all branch mints. The majority of all top pops say that this isn't part of the design, it is more a die pairing exercise and probably a futile one.

 

Nothing more than artifacts of die wear. You guys are reading too far into this.

If you believe I'm wrong, consult elsewhere for confirmation. LCR & CC would be good places.

 

so wear on the die caused the raised line 3/4ths. around lincolns head. and perfectly as if a machine did it. i think i see now.

 

Don’t you need a sarcasm emoji?

 

well maybe. but i did see i should get some reference material on cents and just ordered.

i have a new theory, though.. a simple pass with whatever polish they used for business strikes would have removed all if not most of the offending line would have taken 10 seconds, so missed step in manufacturing might explain.

 

i just looked at the GC site for 1937 lincoln cent, 15ish showed current the top graded ones 66 and 67 almost all had these lines. clear as day,

 

It may take me a while to do a comprehensive reply, but in the meanwhile go look at 1942 and 1942-D on GC archives. It's a gold mine of evidence. Anything mid 2024 and later is likely to have a GreatPhoto. Look at the forehead and in front of Abe's forelock.

 

found the remnants at the top of the head of a steelie i have, very faint.

i also believe that i see where it was there (gc fotos)and had been worn away on a lot of the fotos. possibly very common then. might last a couple hundred strikes?


edit---- see it on a 37d ms 68 that sold for over 10 grand in 2023-herritage coll.
am sure worn dies do not produce this high a grade.

 

me thinks now that this is really common and is already known. as you cant see it with the naked eye, i ?

come on now we just discovered it?

 

Worn dies absolutely can garner top pops.

 

first i'll find the tells of die states

 

I hadn't looked at 1943 much but just now in the PCGS gallery I quickly found half a dozen where "whatever it is" is pretty clearly identical across all of them. These are all MS68 and 67+. With a mintage of almost 700 million, that had to be at least 700 obverse dies used. So you'd have to argue that out of the first 10-20 top grade coins on PCGS they all just happened to come from the same deteriorated die, or the dies all deteriorated exactly the same way. More later, filing taxes late before Oct 15 deadline, the joy.

 

i think i've found myself hooked on cents, copper cents.