Philip of Macedon Attribution Help Wanted

I collect Roman imperial and provincial coins (duh!) and don't have the necessary reference works to attribute Greeks. I have a couple of bronzes of Macedonia and I'd appreciate any help you could offer about attribution. Thanks! I hope you can help. If not, enjoy the double dactyl by the mysterious and pseudonymous yet ubiquitous Senex Caecilius:

Like Father, Like Son

Higgledy-Piggledy
Philip of Macedon
Formed up the phalanx and
Harried the Greeks;
Murdered, he missed out on
Mesopotamia,
So, it's his son of whom
All the world speaks.

Coin #1
Philip of Macedon.

6.30 gm; 18.6 mm
Obv: Diademed head of Apollo, r.
Rev: ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ, youth on horseback r.; thunderbolt below.

Coin #2:
Philip or Alexander??

5.66 gm; 17.3 mm
Obv: Diademed head of Apollo, r.
Rev: Unclear legend, youth on horseback r.; Γ (maybe Π or I) below.

 

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They're very cool

They almost look imitative, eh?

I only have this baby as a comparison ... this is the seller's description:

Philip II AE Unit (Bronze)
359-336 BC
Diameter: 18 mm
Weight: 6.2 grams
Obverse: Head of Apollo right
Reverse: Youth on horse right
Spear-head in exergue
cf Sear 6696-6698

 

None of my Alexander III's have rider and horse reverse. I always felt that was the mark of Philip II. Philip REBUILT a destroyed Kingdom and built a NATION. Makedonon military tradition was built on Cavalry. He turned Makedonon Cavalry into an effective machine. He then turned to developing the best Infantry of the time, the Makedonon Phalanx.

(By the way, I am REALLY enjoying an excellent book about Philip II. I always knew he was a brilliant man, but the book sheds light on an amazing amount of innovations that were the Firsts for Western Europe to employ.
Philip II of Macedonia: Greater than Alexander
Gabriel, Richard A.)

Left Riding Horse:

Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 17 Horse Rider green patina

Right Riding Horse:

Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 19 Horse Hound


Makedon AE 19 6-1g Philip II 359-336 BCE Left Face and Man on Horse r

 

Thanks for the book suggestion @Alegandron

 

Can't help, but neat coins!

 

Cool posts everyone!! And, I have the same understanding that @Alegandron stated....

My two humble examples of Phil:

 

Oh sorry, are we allowed to post AR examples as well? (thanks for the assist, Mikey-Z)

... Philip-II => Steroid-Horse!!




... toned and awesome!! (it's like a fricken baseball in-hand!!)

 

Doooaahhh! SILVER!!!

Philip II the MASTERMIND:

Makedon
Philip II
AR Tet
Pella mint
LIFETIME issue 353-349 BCE
Zeus
Horse star spearhd
Le Rider 102.JPG


CELTIC IMATIVES:


Kugelwangle AR Drachmae

 

nice coins! these phillip ll coins with the rider on the horse reverse is a reference to his horse winning the olympics(sometimes refered to as a olympic coin). he was planning to do what alexander did. here's some of mine along with a celtic made ae coin

 

Cool coins. Like these type, here's a couple I have. There are some Horse type Alexander's. But not an exact match to the OP coin. http://alexanderthegreatcoins.reidgold.com/bronzes.html

 

That first tet is GORGEOUS!!!

 

For $75, I could not pass this beauty up, even though it was outside of my collecting area. I loved the history behind it, and went well with my Alex tet.

 

here's my little philip ii AE, the little bukranion sold me on this one......




Kingdom of Macedon. Philip II, 359-336 BC.

O: Head of Apollo right R:Horseman right, bukranion below. SNG Copenhagen 604. 17 mm, 5.6 g

 

The most complete listing of the AE of Philip II is Alfred Bellinger's report on the Drama Hoard in Museum Notes XI. Your first coin with thunderbolt control is Drama 43. If the letter on your second coin is indeed Γ, it's Drama 65.

Phil Davis

 

I always liked the left riding horses from Philip II.

 

Hey, that's good to know! Thanks That volume of ANS Museum Notes, and others, is available free online at https://www.hathitrust.org/

 

Thanks so much, @Volodya ! That is exactly the information I was looking for!

 

me too, and the facing left bust.guess cause i can't find any in my collection.

 

Is this Bellinger's report here? Museum Notes XI concerns French orders and decorations. This is Numismatic Studies 11.