Marks of value on Roman Imperial Æ coins?

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    How often were marks of value added to Roman Imperial Æ coins? I am aware of the system used in RR times: X, V, III, II, I, S and all of the dots to represent twelfths of an as were used on cast and struck bronze of the Roman Republic. I do not remember seeing similar marks in AD times. Thanks to Doug and others, I am aware of XXI on LRB meaning 1:20 silver to bronze, but that is not quite a mark of value.
    I found an interesting comment in Sydenham's book on dating Roman Imperial coins. He mentions that Nero used the following:
    Sestertius = 4 asses, no mark
    Dupondius = 2 asses, mark = II
    As, mark = I
    Semis = 1/2 as, mark = S
    Quadrans = 1/4 as, no mark
    When I look in acsearch.info, I did find some examples for Nero. Interesting though is that most of his coins in the searches did not have the marks. The marks for the Dupondius and As, II & I, were all below the bottom line (in ex) while the S was in the field of the coins??

    Post your Æ coins with marks of value.

    Nero Dupondius 54 to 68 Nomos.jpg photo thanks to Nomos
    Nero As Rome 54 to 68 Roma.jpg photo thanks to Roma
    Nero semis 54 to 68 Kunker.jpg photo thanks to Kunker

    2.17.16 003.JPG 2.17.16 004.JPG These are more my speed, an I & S from 220 BC
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    ONE DOT - UNCIA:
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    Luceria AES Grave Anonymous 217-215 BCE Uncia 7.35g Frog-Corn Ear pellet retrograd L T-V 285


    TWO DOTS - SEXTANS:
    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55-28g Dioscuri R and L Obv-Rev.JPG
    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55.28g Dioscuri R and L

    THREE DOTS - QUADRANS:
    RR Aes Grave AE Quadrans Dog 3 pellets Six spoked wheel 59.8g Craw 26-6a Th-Vecchi 34 O-R.JPG
    RR Aes Grave AE Quadrans Dog 3 pellets Six spoked wheel 59.8g Craw 26-6a Th-Vecchi 34


    FOUR DOTS - TRIENS:
    RR Aes Grave Anon 280-276 BCE Triens Tbolt-Dolphin Rome Obv-Rev Crawford 14-3 T Vecchi 3.JPG
    RR Aes Grave Anon 280-276 BCE Triens Tbolt-Dolphin Rome Crawford 14-3 T Vecchi 3


    S = SEMIS:
    RR Anon AE Semis 211-207 BC Saturn S Prow ROMA S 766 Cr 56-3 O-R.jpg
    RR Anon AE Semis 211-207 BC Saturn S Prow ROMA S 766 Cr 56/3


    I-MARK = AS:
    RR AE As P.CORNELIUS P.F. BLASIO BC 169-158  35mm 42.5g S 703 Syd 370 Cr 189-1.JPG
    RR AE As P.CORNELIUS P.F. BLASIO BC 169-158 35mm 42.5g S 703 Syd 370 Craw 189/1
     
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  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The practice pretty much died after Nero. There was a period where Licinius marked his AE3 issues with their value in denarii of account (12 1/2).
    rx4430b00752lg.jpg

    I'm sure there are a few others depending on how you look at it. CMH issues?
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Some tetras:

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    SICILY, Kamarina
    420-405 BCE

    AE tetras, 3.11 gm
    Obv: Head of Athena right, wearing winged Phrygian helmet; dotted border
    Rev: KAMA (legend from top to bottom), with owl standing left, lizard in talons; three dots in exergue
    Ref: Westermark / Jenkins 202, SNG ANS -., Calciati III No. 39


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    SICILY, Kamarina
    420-405 BCE

    AE tetras, 3.34 gm
    Obv: Large head of Athena left, wearing crested helmet with wings
    Rev: Owl standing left, with lizard in talon; KAMA (retrograde) upward in right field; three dots in exergue
    Ref: Westermark / Jenkins 198 (see FIG. Pl. 35 / 198.24), SNG ANS 1230 Calciati III no. 28/4 (dotted-border type)

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    Neon tetras :D
    image from aquariumgurus

    ...

    Dots on these Sicilian bronzes indicate how many twelfths of a litra the coin is worth.

    six hexas per litra; two dots (2/12)
    four tetras per litra; three dots (3/12)
    three trias per litra; four dots (4/12)
     
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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Many Greek coins and even some Roman Provincials have denomination marks. The OP asked for Imperials so the number of answers is cut way down.
     
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    In contrast to Imperial issues, Roman provincials often have marks of value.

    Retrograde gamma Γ on the reverse indicating 3 assaria on this triassarion of Julia Domna from Tomis in Moesia Inferior:

    Domna Tomis.jpg

    Epsilon E on the reverse indicating 5 assaria on this pentassarion of Elagabalus and Julia Maesa of Markianopolis in Moesia Inferior:
    Elagabalus and Maesa Marcianopolis.jpg

    Iota I on the obverse indicating 10 assaria on this decassarion of Cornelia Salonina from Side in Pamphylia:
    Salonina Side Decassarion.jpg
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Further question on subject: when and what coinage were the first with specified denominations?

    I ran across a comment in my readings that the Etrurians were the first to have denominations on coinage. Is that a true statement?
     
  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Constantine did the same. Here's one marked (according to Victor Clark) as 12 denarii, or 1/2 nummi:
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    Rome mint, A.D. 312-313
    RIC 356
    Obv: FL VAL CONSTANTINVS AVG
    Rev: PACI P-ERPET - Pax, standing facing, head left, holding branch and standard
    RQ in exergue; XII in left field
    19 x 16 mm, 2.0 g.

    And one from the same time and mint marked as 16 denarii, or 2/3 nummi:
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    Rome mint, A.D. 312-313
    RIC 360
    Obv: FL VAL CONSTANTINVS AVG
    Rev: VIRT EXE-RCIT GALL - Virtus, standing, looking right, holding parazonium and leaning on reversed spear
    RT in exergue; X in left field, VI in right
    20 x 18 mm, 2.6 g.
     
  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    You are right Doug, I was hoping for other examples if marks on Imperial coins.
     
  11. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Oh. Okay, how about a mark of alloy composition?

    (and I was just about to link the Oxford guide posted by Victor :D)

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    Maximianus
    CE 286-305
    AE follis, 9.9 gm, 27 mm
    Obv: IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS PF AVG, laureate head right
    Rev: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left holding cornucopia and pouring from a patera; XXI in left field, E in right field, ALE in exergue
    Mint: Alexandria
    Ref: RIC VI 30b


    From that Oxford guide cited in the previous post:

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