A Slabbed coin to avoid

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by rrdenarius, Nov 28, 2017.

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  1. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    This one is suspect to me. A "pewter" Annam cash. "Very rare."

    Found when someone tried to use it to pay the toll at the Brooklyn Bridge I bet.
     
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    Muzyck, Nov 30, 2017
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  3. MarcosX

    MarcosX Active Member

    Hmm I feel inspired to start my own slab company called The "very professional numismatic federal bureau" we will specialize in selling lumps of melted pennies that are the size of an ancient coin give or take:Ive attached a pic of the prototype aPepperoni.png
     
    MarcosX, Nov 30, 2017
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  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    You have the right idea @marco, but wrong denomination... your basis should be the RR bronze coin, the As. I could show mine.
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  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    That’s the greatest shirt I’ve ever seen and I really appreciate high fashion.
     
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  6. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    From eBay:- http://www.ebay.com.au/gds/Dont-Buy-Coins-In-These-Holders-Unless-/10000000018854582/g.html

    If you bid on coins in the holders listed below then you're taking a chance of buying a coin that is over-graded, cleaned and may not be authentic. So it's not worth your money or time to even patronize the seller who sells coins in these holders.

    AACGS
    ACC
    ACCGS
    ACGS
    ACGS2
    ACCS
    ACGC
    ACGS
    ACCUGRADE
    AFCGS
    AGA
    AGP
    AGS
    AHCGS
    ALASKA
    ANGS
    ANI
    ANL
    APEX
    ARC
    BAS
    BIG D'S
    BLANCHARD
    CAC
    CAPITOL
    CCCS
    CCG
    CCGE
    CCGS
    CGC
    CGS
    CGSOA
    CF
    Chinese Holder
    COMPUGRADE
    Coins Forever
    CRC
    CSI
    CZGP
    DGS
    EAGC
    EGC
    ENGS
    FSC
    GCGS
    GCS
    GEC
    GGC
    GSG
    GSA
    GWE
    HALLMARK
    HALLMARK IMI.
    HCG
    HGebay
    ICCS
    ICI
    ICS
    IGA
    IGC
    IGS
    INB
    INCS
    INGS
    INGS 2
    INS
    ISG
    ISR
    LITTLETON
    MCCS
    MEGS
    MSDE
    NAC
    NAGC
    NANCS
    NAS
    NCCG
    NCGS
    NCI
    NCS
    NES
    NG
    NGA
    NGP
    NGS
    NGS2
    NIC
    NNC
    NNCS
    NPG
    NSCGS
    NTC
    Numex
    NUMISPRO
    OCC
    PCC
    PCGA
    PCI
    PGSG
    PGS
    PIC
    PICC
    PN
    PNANS
    PNGL
    PNGS
    PNGS2
    QCGCS
    RAINBOW
    Sample Slabs
    SDGS
    SEGS
    SGS (Original)
    SGS
    SCG
    SNB
    SWCGS
    TCGS
    TRUGRADE
    TST
    USCG
    UCG
    UCGS
    UK
    UNC
    UGS
    USA
    US_RCCT
    VSS
    WCG
    No-Name Holders
    FAKE PCGS
    FAKE NGC

    . . . and the list is growing (my comment.)
     
    Topcat7, Dec 2, 2017
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  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    That list includes Littleton.

    Based on what I've seen in person and read here, I think I'd take Littleton's opinion on a coin over the opinion of whoever assembled that list.
     
    -jeffB, Dec 2, 2017
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Collecting for 49 years Moderator

    Somebody painted with a pretty broad brush to make that list, and I take issue with some of the inclusions.
    • Hallmark had some very conservatively graded coins.
    • ICCS, despite using a heat-sealed flip instead of a plastic capsule, is a very reputable service for Canadian coins and has a reputation with many people of being quite conservative in their grading. Ask a collector of Canadian coins.
    • PCI: I've done OK with the old green labels. In fact, my greatest cherrypick of all time was in a PCI green label holder. But yes, one does has to be wary of their later-generation material.
    Yes, I stick with pretty much just PCGS and NGC nowadays, but would not turn down an ANACS or ICG coin based solely on aversion to the plastic.

    Here's how I break it down, and I'm not alone in so doing:

    First tier:
    • PCGS
    • NGC

    Second tier:
    • ANACS
    • ICG

    Third tier:
    • Everybody else

    Really, regardless of the plastic, one has to be wary. There are dogs and jewels in every brand of plastic.
     
    lordmarcovan, Dec 5, 2017
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  9. Jwill1977

    Jwill1977 New Member

    Question: why is NAC on this list?? Don't they work with NGC??
     
    Jwill1977, Sep 10, 2025 at 4:38 AM
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  10. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Supporter

    that post is from 2017...circumstances have changed
     
    Victor_Clark, Sep 10, 2025 at 8:23 AM
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  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    NECRO ALERT

    NAC? With the finny slabs? That's a garbage grader.

    You are thinking of NCS (Numismatic Conservation Services) which is NGC's conservation arm and slabbed coins - for a brief while - in their own slabs. Now they use NGC labels.
     
    Burton Strauss III, Sep 10, 2025 at 9:28 AM
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  12. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Supporter

    You have apparently never heard of Numismatica Ars Classica (NAC) who work with NGC
     
    Victor_Clark, Sep 10, 2025 at 11:59 AM
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  13. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    I wish ebay would police their auctions- it used to be a great place to buy ad sell
     
    Blake Davis, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:22 PM
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  14. JPD3

    JPD3 Well-Known Member

    JMHO
    Bottom line---Buy the coin, not the slab.
     
    JPD3, Sep 11, 2025 at 12:30 AM
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  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I had not heard of them either. It looks like an auction house out of Switzerland. The NAC mentioned in the original post was a basement grader (self slabber) of US coins. And NCS is the conservation division of NGC who used to slab detail coins (before they just started using the NGC slabs for all coins).
     
    ddddd, Sep 12, 2025 at 11:59 PM
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  16. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Numismatica Ars Classica (NAC) is an Authorized NCG Submission Center. Big whoop.

    That means slightly more training than an ordinary dealer who is a member of NGC and submits customers' coins under the dealer's submission number.

    However, seriously, any shrub can become an associate member (authorized submitter) for $39 / year and then complete the NGC paperwork.

    I'm a shrub. I have three submissions being graded right now.
     
    Burton Strauss III, Sep 13, 2025 at 9:21 AM
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