A few Folles

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by cmezner, Sep 4, 2025 at 7:30 PM.

  1. cmezner

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    Yesterday, I went to HJB and bought these Folles minted in Syracuse. I find them interesting because of their "squarish" shape, and how they contrast with ancient Greek coins from Syracuse.

    Haven't measured them yet.
    All pictures courtesy HJB.

    Roman Empire East, Constans II & Constantine IV, AE Follis
    4.67 g
    Sicily, Syracuse, 659-663 AD
    DOC II (Dumbarton Oaks Collection, Vol 2, Part 2, p. 497) Follis Class 6, 181; Sear (Byzantine) 1110; MIB 210; Anastasi 204; Berk 697; Monogram 35 (Sear) TKw

    Obv.: Anepigraphic. Constans II and Constantine IV, standing facing, both wearing crowns. Constans (on l.) with long beard, in military attire holds long cross; his son, Constantine (on r.), beardless, wearing chlamys, holds globus cruciger.
    Rev.: Reverse: Large M with monogram upload_2025-9-4_18-17-55.png (Sear 35) above, flanked by standing figures to either side of Heraclius (on l.), beardless, standing facing, wearing crown and chlamys, similar figure of Tiberius (on r.) each holding globus cruciger. Mint mark SCL in exergue.
    The mintmark SCL is for SECILLIA (Sicily).
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    The monogram TKw on coins was introduced by Constans and Constantinus IV continued to use it on his coinage. Byzantine monograms are available here: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Monogram

    Roman Empire East, Constantine IV, AE Follis
    Sicily, Syracuse, 674-681 AD
    2.95 g
    DOC II (Dumbarton Oaks Collection, Vol 2, Part 2, p. 555) Follis Class 3, 62; MIB 105; Berk 740; Sear(Byzantine) 1209; Monogram 35 (Sear) TKw

    Ob.: Anepigraphic. Constantine IV standing facing, wearing helmet and cuirass and holding spear.
    Rev.: Large M between facing standing figures of Heraclius on l. and Tiberius on r. each wearing crown and chlamys, and holding globus cruciger; above M, imperial monogram upload_2025-9-4_18-22-44.png ; Mint mark SCL in exergue.

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    Roman Empire East, Constantine IV, AE Follis
    Sicily, Syracuse, 674 -681 AD
    5.15 g
    DOC II (Dumbarton Oaks Collection, Vol 2, Part 2, p. 555) Follis Class 2, 61; Sear(Byzantine) 1208; Monogram 35 (Sear) TKw; MIB 106; Berk 741

    Ob.: Anepigraphic. Bust of Constantine IV ¾ facing, with short beard, wearing cuirass and helmet with cross, plume, and diadem, crown and holding spear over his r. shoulder and shield with horseman device on his l. shoulder.
    Rev.: Large M between facing standing figures of Heraclius on l. and Tiberius on r. each wearing crown and holding cross on globe; above M, imperial monogram TKw ; in exergue. Mint mark SCL in exergue.

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    Please share your "squarish" Follis or anything you like to share:)
     
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  3. Victor_Clark

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    sorry to be pedantic; but the plural of follis is folles.
     
  4. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    @Victor_Clark Thank you so much for the correction, I appreciate it very much. You're not pedantic at all.
    As you can see, my Latin is practically non existent:D
     
  5. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Those are wonderful folles! Very choice.

    One of the last auctions conducted by Roma Numismatics featured a nice run of Byzantine bronze coins, some very rare. I focused mostly on the Syracusan folles as they were the most numerous and "affordable". I actually acquired a few of these in the after sale, something that Roma did on a regular basis for unsold coins, which I miss!

    Constans II half follis. Syracuse, dated IY 10 (AD 651/2).
    MIB 212; Sear 1113.
    2.73 grams
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    Constans II, follis, Syracuse, dated IY 11 ( AD 652/3).
    DOC 179; Sear 1108.
    4.76 grams
    D-Camera Constans II follis Syracuse, dated IY 11 ( AD 652-3). DOC 179; Sear 1108. 4.76g, 9-3-23.jpg

    Constantine IV, Heraclius, Tiberius, follis. Syracuse, AD 674-681.
    DOC 61; Sear 1208.
    3.97 grams
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    Justinian II, follis, 2nd reign, Syracuse, IY 5 (AD 706/7).
    Cf. BCI 665 variety (no stars); Sear 1299 (1st reign).
    4.18 grams
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    Nicephorus I, Stauracius, Æ Nummus. Syracuse, AD 803-811.
    DOC 10; Spahr 355; Sear 1612.
    3.24 grams
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    Leo V the Armenian, Constantine, Æ 40 Nummi. Syracuse, AD 813-820.
    Spahr 374; Sear 1637.
    4.27 grams
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  6. cmezner

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    You have a wonderful selection @robinjojo Thank you so much for sharing.
    Do you know why the shape of many of this coinage is not round but "squarish"?
     
  7. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    I don't really know. Generally speaking Byzantine bronze run the circuit for flan size and shape over the centuries. One possible explanation could be that the flans varied in shape to accommodate the obverse and reverse dies, but that's just an idea of mine.

    The changes in flan shapes can be seen at the larger mints as well over time. It seems that the reform folles of Justinian I devolved over time, with less care on the minting process. Arguably the "pinnacle" of Byzantine bronze coinage could be said to be the early reform folles of Justinian I, with their large module flans, quite round and nice strikes.

    Justinian I, follis, Antioch, Year 13 (539/40 AD).
    22.7 grams
    D-Camera Justinian I follis, Antioch gradient, ex Berk, yr 13 539-40 AD, 22.7 g , 12-14-20.jpg
    It could be that the bubonic plague that hit the empire starting in 541 AD, as well as the ongoing wars and upheaval, might have had an effect on minting coins, as it also had with other aspects of society at large. That plague is estimated to have killed around 25 million people in the sixth century AD.

    Justinian I, follis, Constantinople, year 20 546/47 AD).
    Sear163
    21.29 grams
    D-Camera Justinian I follis Constantinople year 20 546-47 AD S 163 21.2951grams 3-28-25.jpg

    Heraclius, follis, Constantinople, RY 24 officina Γ.
    MIB 164b
    6.29 grams
    D-Camera Heraclius follis Constantinople RY 24 officina  Γ MIB 164b 6.29 grams 2-20-24.jpg

    Constantine IV, Follis, 668-685 AD.
    17.3 grams
    D-Camera Constantine IV Follis, 668-685 AD, 17.3 grams, Berk purchase  6-6-20.jpg
     
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