A REPUBLICAN Drachm

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    This is one of my recent CNG captures. This is a pretty cool capture for me as I find these Pre-Denarius coins pretty hard to find. Not sure if they are scarce, rare, or if they are just tied up in old collections and are not on-market.

    CNG did a great job photographing the coin, capturing all the intimate details, (My OP pic is theirs.) However, when I received it, the coin looks MUCH better in hand! All the ruddy smudges do not really show up to this blurry-eyed guy.

    I am really pleased, and now have several Didrachmae, Litrae, and now TWO versions of Pre-Denarius Drachmae! Turning into a nice subset collection of Roman Republican coinage! BIG FUN!

    This is NOT an AE Litra, rather it is the SILVER DRACHM.

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    Roman Republic
    Anonymous. Circa 240 BC.
    AR Drachm (16mm, 3.02 g, 6h).
    Rome mint.
    Helmeted head of Mars right
    Horse’s head right; sickle to left.
    Ref: Sear 27; Crawford 25/2; Sydenham 25; RSC 34a.
    CNG Comments: Fine, toned, some cleaning/smoothing marks. Rare.

    Please feel free to post your PRE-DENARIUS coins, Any cool HORSE-HEAD COINS, HEY! Any SICKLE coins, or any cool MARS coins.

    @stevex6 can go ape-s posting whatever he thinks is really cool. :D
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice, Brian.
     
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  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Aweseome addition, that horse looks great!

    Mars:
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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @Alegandron

    I really like that coin. Thanks for posting it and congrats on great acquisition.
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thanks! I was "glabberfasted" that I found it! and in nice shape. I have the Left Facing Quadrigatus Drachm, which seems rare, but finding any OTHER of the AR Drachm series is elusive.

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    Roman Republic
    AR Half-Quadrigatus (216-214 BCE) DRACHM
    17.7mm, 3.2g
    OBV: Beardless Janiform (thought to represent the Dioscuri being beardless)
    REV: Iupiter and Victory in galloping quadriga LEFT (to distinguish it from Quadrigatus Didrachm), ROMA in ex
    REF: Sear 35

    The descendant coins of the Half-Quadrigatus Drachm was the Victoriatus, which was a Roman Drachm or approx 3/4 of a Denarius... Generally thought to be used in trade with Magna Graecia (Southern Italy Greek Cities).
     
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Neato! Were these coins referred to as drachms in contemporary Roman histories or is it a modern appellation?
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I understand, and I am not an expert, that the Romans used these more in trade with Magna Graecia and the Celts. The Roman Drachmae from this period were the forerunners of the Victoriatus (still a Roman Drachm). This is the same treatment for the Didrahmae and the token Litrae that the Romans minted during this time: mainly to be used in trade with Magna Graecia and with the Celts...

    And, to answer you, yes, I BELIEVE they were referred at that time as Drachmae, Didrachmae, and Litrae when trading with Magna Graecia.

    In the meantime, Rome and Central Italia were still producing and trading the Aes Grave bronze coinage.

    Would love some experts to further chime in...
     
  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    WOW!! What a fantastic drachm!!! I can't rave enough about the wonderful style....except to say I LOVE it and want one sooo bad!!

    Well, I'll throw in a denarius of MARS with the fighting soldiers reverse; Q Thermus, 103 BC:
    RR  Mars and fighting soldiers.jpg
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    THAT is one of my favorites. I got one from Warren not too long ago!
     
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  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That's a really cool coin. I learned something new today!
     
  12. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's a cool RR AR!

    i don't have anything like that...so here is a sickle coin.

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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That is a really cool one!
     
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  14. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Nice, rare, coin!
    I have a cast sicle Semis, shown on a copy of Garrucci -
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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  16. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    It only weight 100 grams. That puts it on the low end of this series.

    Roman Republican semis, Aes Grave, Rome, 241 to 235 BC.
    Obv – Head of Minerva wearing Corinthian helmet L, below S
    Rev – Head of woman L, below S, behind sickle
    Cr 25.5, 241 BC, 55 specimen in Haeberlin
    BMCRR Italy – pg 50, no. 2
    TV 37
     
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  17. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Very nice. I have a little horsehead litra, but that's it for me. It'll probably be a while before I can win a horsehead drachm/didrachm but the "sickle" series horsehead litra is on the short list.
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    Roman Republic Æ litra(5.75g, 18mm), anonymous, after 264 B.C., Cosa mint. Helmeted head of minerva right; border of dots / Horse's head right, on base; behind, ROMA[NO] upwards. Crawford 17/1d; BMCRR Romano-Campanian 12; Sydenham 3a
    Ex Thersites Collection, Roma e-sale 32 lot 662(incorrectly omitted from lot description), ex Andrew McCabe Collection, acquired in 2009.
     
  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very nice! I have several of the Litrae, and some are difficult to get a nice portrait. It is also fun to see they used several of the same designs across the AE Litrae, the Didrachmae, and the Drachmae. Sear lists them in 2 different sections with several pages in between. However, they should all be grouped together as they were minted during the same time, same mint, and very similar designs, with mintage poited at the same audience: Magna Graecia and the Celts... It is a cool segue in Republican coinage. I love all these issues.
     
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  19. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I'm not so sure about that. Find evidence suggest different areas of circulation for some of these litrae and other fractional bronzes of the period and for the Minerva/horsehead litrae(like the one I posted) in particular evidence points toward Central Italian circulation in the area of Latium, Eturia or possibly Umbria, but likely not Magna Graecia. I do think the silver issues were minted for trade with the Greeks and Celts, and they show up plenty in otherwise Greek hoards, but I'm not so sure about the bronzes.
     
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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Interesting, thanks!
     
  21. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Congrats on your new coin, Alegandron. I normally only collect silver but have been getting a taste for aes grave and picked up this cool triens at NYINC. Also, landed this wonderful little litra ex Haeberlin (aka, The Greenie) late last year.

    Aes Grave Triens 14-3 Waddell 2017.jpg

    Anonymous AE Litra 26-3 Dorotheum ex Haeberlin PS 2016.jpg
     
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