FULL BAND OR NOT I SAY YES .

and guys here is a 1970-S full bands ? again 19 of these all different dates

 

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The proof strikes are FAR more likely to have full bands as they are struck multiple times versus a circulation strike from Denver.

The circulation strike coins are less likely to have full bands because the bands are the highest point of the reverse, and if they are split, the coin has a complete strike, which is not true of every coin that is only struck once, and much less common than finding this on a proof coin that was struck multiple times.

 

Here is the whole group I have all Proof

 

definately, too!

 

I thought full torch was "what matters" with Roosevelt Dimes and full bands was for Mercury Dimes.

 

the bands on the Roosevelt are the criteria for full torch... tomato, tomatoe

 

@mikenoodle Hmmm, I though the vertical lines on the torch were what was the criteria. Oh well, thanks!

 

I think this is what I am remembering...

NGC https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/mercury-dimes-1916-1945-pscid-31

Collectors with a penchant for perfection prefer Mercury dimes with “full split bands”, completely visible lines in the bands around the fasces.

NGC https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/792/

NGC began certifying Full Torch (FT) Roosevelt Dimes April 14, 2003. The designation FT for Full Torch will be applied to Roosevelt Dimes having both upper and lower pair of horizontal bands split as well as the vertical lines of the torch being defined.

 

yes, you're absolutely correct, but think about it...

The bands are the high point on the coin. It is very unlikely that a coin will exhibit full split horizontal bands on the torch and not have the full vertical torch lines

 

Well, it should be just an indication of strike quality, not a wear factor, therefore the high vs low point shouldn't matter. JMHO.

 

it has nothing to do with wear, it has to do with completeness of strike

 

why do you think that Merc Dimes have a premium for FSB? It's because the bands are the highest point on the coin and are only there on coins that are completely struck. Same for Roosies

 

Then why aren't the vertical lines part of the criteria for Mercs too? We seem to be arguing in circles! lol

 

because they are lower on the coin.

The highest point is the last part of the design to strike. When the strike isn't complete, these features are not there.

Make sense?

 

the highest points are the last areas to be filled in from the metal flow. Thus would be the weakest in a weaker strike.

 

The "S" proof has fully split bands the first coin "D" if you could throw it in Photo shop and increase the size and sharpen the focus it would be a lot easyer to tell. It looks full bands to me but without a higher resolution picture I cant swear to it.

 

What you say makes sense in and of itself, but it doesn't answering my question.

The vertical lines on a Roosevelt have to be there in addition to the horizontal line in the band, to get the full torch designation (see my quote from NGC).

The vertical lines on a Mercury DO NOT have to be there in addition to the horizontal line in the band, to get the full bands designation (see my quote from NGC).

This is inconsistent since the horizontal lines on both designs are higher than the vertical lines. SO MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE THE CRITERIA DIFFERENT???

 

it's a good question. If I knew, I would tell you, but I can't.

I can't imagine how a vertical line could not be present when the horizontal bands are, but it's not my standard.

I write it off to a newer design and a poorly written standard.

 

Perhaps, or perhaps something about Mercs makes it possible to have full bands without also having full vertical lines.

But back to my very first post in this thread, I think the OP should also ensure he has full vertical lines before he submits to a TPG to get Full Torch put on his slab.