In this month's Numismatist...

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by mikenoodle, Jul 31, 2025 at 12:02 PM.

  1. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    Russ Bega wrote an article about a coin that crossed our paths at Harlan Berk. Years ago, it crossed @Insider desk as well.

    If you'd like to read it:

    article - Counterfeit, He Wrote
     
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  3. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Interesting article. I wonder how the TPGs/experts all knew they were fake.
     
  4. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    Having been one of the experts to examine the coin I can tell you this: it was a REALLY good fake and I don’t think anyone knew for certain until we had the coin analyzed via xrf. The composition wasn’t correct, even though it weighed almost exactly what it should have, but the Mint would never put platinum in a silver quarter planchet.

    That was the moment we knew, and I’m pretty sure we were the first to know for sure.
     
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  5. element159

    element159 Member

    Do you mean palladium, not platinum, that was around the 3/4% mark? That is what the story said. But still would never be that high. I don't know how reliably XRF gets the bulk composition, but shouldn't genuine coins be very near 90.0% silver 10.0% copper? That composition seals the deal as a counterfeit.
     
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  6. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Interesting story. Thanks for posting.

    The U.S. Mint (government, secret service) aren't experts? They said the coins were legit.

    Either palladium or platinum doesn't matter...neither belong in a 1934 quarter planchet. The real question is how did the U.S. Mint miss this...the Mint is quoted as saying the coins were legit??? The answer to this question was not addressed in the article (sorry if I missed it).
     
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  7. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    I said "TPGs/experts" because as far as I know, some of the ones they submitted to (ANA, INS, Coin World) aren't technically TPGs, just "experts". The part where "laboratory analysis by the U.S. Secret Service" deemed them genuine is pretty damning.

    I'm curious if there's something normally made with silver, copper and palladium that the counterfeiter could have melted down to make the planchets. It seems like an odd alloy to use.
     
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  8. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Good question.
     
  9. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    I've followed the story of these for some time.
    In my opinion they are genuine, not "counterfeit".
    The XRF test is likely inaccurate, and the testing device margin of error was probably greater than the percentage of Pd/Pt reported.
     
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