Fake Error or Real ?

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by ashyblue, Jan 24, 2017.

  1. ashyblue

    ashyblue Member

    Hi , what do you think ? Is it a fake error or real ? Since one green serial number is there and the other has vanished ( though you can see a trace of it ) my take is it's fake ... but what's your opinion ?
     

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  3. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Missing 2nd print....most of these type errors include the Treasury seal, which yours does not have. That worries me.
     
  4. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    I don't know enough about currency and the printing process to say for sure, but I would like to use this post to learn a little. :) How would it be possible for one serial number to be so bold and the other barely there? I also don't see how it's possible for one side of the note to be bleached but not the other side.

    I'm leaning fake on this one, but don't attach too much weight to my opinion, because, like I said, I'm still learning. If you had a 2-headed coin, I could help you out. :p
     
  5. Dollarsavr

    Dollarsavr Question everything...

    GREAT FIND! I have been looking for a Triple-Error "Star-note" for years! Missing First Print, then the missing overprint details and THIRD, this note is from the BEP at FW. B-*s in the serial range have already been printed for DC... 00000001-09600000. (determined by Lg BP "85" digits).
    SPECTACULAR and it should be slabbed! (My Opinion)
     
  6. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Would the missing second print still have the ghost image of the obverse on it?
    And, should the other serial number and treasury seal be there?
    Was this washed, or is it a true error?
     
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  7. wmichael

    wmichael Active Member

    That bill is a Hoot as it is a star note to start with.
     
  8. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The photo I have of a missing second print ( I think the first print is the reverse),
    shows a completely blank obverse with both seals and both serial numbers.
    I believe this bill has been bleached. Just an opinion.
     
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  9. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    Great find. It should be sent in and slabbed. With the new systems, that will be installed in the printing process, it will even be harder for such to get out. It has more than two errors before being shipped out. two printing errors, one paper error, and last the quality controls of final inspections.
     
  10. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Aren't both serial numbers printed at the same time?
     
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  11. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    Yes, but if you have an obstruction over that section, then it will be missing, as in this. Like two pieces that over lap, then one fall away after the printing.
     
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  12. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The reason I think it is bleached, is because I can still see the obverse.
    And the missing 2nd prints I have seen the obverse is completely blank
    except for the 2 seals and serial numbers.
    Even if it touched the printing bed, there would be more of an image than what is shown in the OP.
    If it is a true error, it is fascinating, rare and worth some money.
    I believe the grader can do a chemical test for the presence of bleach, and that would answer that question 1 way or the other.
     
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  13. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It could be bleached, or it could have undergone errors on multiple printing steps.

    There appears to be light remnants of both the black printing and upper right green serial number. That would mean that the sheet would have gone through the press but the plate would not have inked properly, leaving only a ghost image of the 2nd printing. OK, that's possible. Then, during the serial number printing step, an inking problem would have to occurred again, with only half of the plate being inked.

    Or someone could have applied a bleaching chemical to the selected parts of the note in order to try to make a valuable error (especially since it's a star note). I'm leaning toward this explanation

    If you a high power microscope, check the condition of the fibers in the paper and compare it to a new note (or reverse). Chemicals may cause damage to the cotton fibers. If the fibers look damaged, it was probably bleached.
     
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  14. Dans Coins

    Dans Coins Member

    someone's washing bills, now print a 50.00 on it. just kidding i dont condone that behavior...
     
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Instead of a missing second print, could it be insufficient pressure?
     
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  16. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    The second printing is missing and the third printing is incomplete. If it's an error, it's two separate errors on the same note, which is highly unlikely. I suspect that it's fake, because if somebody wanted to fake a missing-second-print error, this would be the best they could do: they couldn't erase the big ONE on the right side without also erasing the green Treasury seal.

    In other words, it's easier to explain this note as a fake error than as a real error.

    Of course, I can't say anything for sure just by photos. If you want to be sure, yes, you'd have to send it in for certification. But my advice would be not to bother, since I think you'd just be wasting your money. :(
     
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  17. ashyblue

    ashyblue Member

    Thanks all , I'm more towards it being fake , it's too good to be true , even if it has a third print error , how come one serial number is perfectly there and the other you can see a trace of it ( meaning no obstruction error ) . It's very unlikely to impossible that on one overprint one serial has a fine ink and the other overly underinked . The bill seems perfect otherwise. :chicken:
     
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  18. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    If it had been bleached as you say, then you would have to protect both the reverse and the obv to keep the chemical from migrating to the other areas that have the printing. The area still there, has not been affected with the bleach. If a scrap of currency stock, had been covering the areas, then you could still have an impression into the printing stock. So, by sending it to be inspected/certified then you will have your answer.
     
  19. notehunter494

    notehunter494 Member

    FAKE! Two major errors, missing second print and obstruction error of third print right side and conveniently on a star note. Both chemically washed out. I Reported this when I saw it.
     
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  20. Dollarsavr

    Dollarsavr Question everything...

    Please PM me and I will make an offer on it as is...
     
  21. notehunter494

    notehunter494 Member

    Check their feedback to see the wonderful other products they have crafted and stuck their customers with. Do you think one seller might just happen on so many of these very similar new notes with ink problems and no other types of errors. Different chemicals will fade, remove, alter different inks. This is a criminal. Report Them!
     
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