Holy .... NGC just took PCGS behind the woodshed!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by C-B-D, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. Johnnie Black

    Johnnie Black Neither Gentleman Nor Scholar

    Keep collecting coins my friend. Let the TPGs implode if they will as it shouldn't affect your enjoyment.
     
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  3. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    For any computer grading program to work properly, it would have to recognize the MS 70 for every series, then deduct points from there. There are many, many series of coins in which no MS 70 exist, so those series would have a "made up" starting point".
    Then every coin would still have to be looked at by a human, to determine why a coin that looks MS, got a Details, No Grade, from the computer because of a clash, strikethrough, or just plain old dirt on the coin.
     
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  4. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. It's not the same person with three coins.
    There are 3 separate individuals and each one has 1 coin.

    Person A: Original Coin A
    Person B: Gets the MS 67 grade on Coin B
    Person C: Gets an MS 67 on Coin C

    ...Now Person A tries to upgrade Coin A to MS 68. Person A is unsuccessful multiple times. They could send the labels back to the TPG to fix the population, but for some reason fail to do so. This created the population of 10 with only 3 unique coins.
     
  5. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

  6. Sean5150

    Sean5150 Well-Known Member

    Oh no he said dealers buy NGC coins and crossover to PCGS at a lower grade so they can sell them for more money!
     
  7. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector

    It made me scratch my head and go huh when I read it.
     
  8. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    This is getting juicy. :D
     
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  9. Sean5150

    Sean5150 Well-Known Member

    Me too, but then I read it like "our MS64 coins are worth more than their MS65s"
     
  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    In many cases that's true.
     
  11. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector

    that's how I read it.
     
  12. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    Now that's what you call a letter written from a position of strength
     
  13. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    In some coins, especially expensive coins (think $4k and up), it is true that NGC coins sell at or less than a PCGS coin graded one point lower.
     
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  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    If you're using "strength" as your spelling for "arrogance." :)
     
  15. bdunnse

    bdunnse Who dat?

    Now more than ever I see it as my duty to buy slabbed coins and break them out.
     
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  16. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    @imrich That was a question I was going to ask, that being, does CAC grade with their own standards or do they use the standards regarding the the respective TPG'er. Thanks for the enlightenment.

    @Earle42 Thanks for your story as well Earle. Sometimes we choke on the cool aide. :)
     
  17. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    CAC has its own standard, which boils down to if John and crew like it and would buy it at the assigned grade, they put a sticker on it. The only published standards (other than an acknowledgement that CAC has its own standards) that I am aware of are for one of the strike designations (FBL on Franklin Half Dollars).
     
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  18. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    @green18
    P.S. CAC is also quirky. John doesn't like some grades and ignores them all together. For instance, he treats AU53 and AU50 the same. Go figure!
     
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  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    So you're saying their standards/requirements are totally their own? That the grade definitions for the respective companies don't play at all into CAC's determination of weather or not a coin is true to grade?
     
  20. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    So it seems the 'big two' are as well.......:)
     
  21. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Whether........:)
     
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