Newp: A nice little helmet quadrans

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by red_spork, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I've been on quite the silver kick lately but I haven't completely abandoned bronzes, and I recently picked up this helmet series quadrans that even in its rough condition has a nice, clear helmet. The only theory I've seen for the significance of the helmet is in BMCRR Italy where Greuber mentions that it may be of Gallic style and thus may be commemorating some sort of military achievement of the moneyer or an ancestor in Gaul, though there's really no way of knowing. One interesting observation I made while researching other examples of the series, however, is that there seems to be two helmet varieties: mine, with something protruding from both the left and right sides of the helmet that I'll call "thick helmet":
    Helmet1.jpg

    and a smaller, thinner helmet with only the sides of the base protruding left or right that I'm calling "thin helmet":
    Helmet2.jpg

    All of the asses, semisses and trientes that I found seemed to come with the "thin helmet" variety but the quadrantes and possibly sextantes(but the example is not completely legible) seem to come in both varieties. I'm honestly not sure what to make of it yet - maybe it's simply a difference in styles between two engravers at the mint or maybe there's more here, but I'm certainly going to keep an eye out for any futher examples that might offer hints as to what's going on here.

    Cr118.4.jpg
    Roman Republic Æ quadrans(22.9mm, 9.66g). Anonymous(Helmet series), 206-195 B.C., Rome mint. Head of hercules right; behind ••• /Prow right; before, helmet; above, ROMA; below, •••. Crawford 118/4; Sydenham 272c
    Ex RBW Collection, ex Goodman Collection, CNG 45 lot 1286

    As always, please share anything relevant!
     
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  3. randygeki

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  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Nice!
    I have a half a coin with two caps -
    Cr181.1 Caps of Dio Roma E30.jpg
    Caps of the Dioscuri Æ As. Rome, 169-158 BC.
    Obv - Laureate head of Janus; above [l].
    Rev - Prow right; above caps of the Dioscuri; before l; [ROMA] below.
    Crawford 181/1. 10.19g, 31mm.
    gF
    From the Thersites Collection.
     
  5. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Nice! I'm always envious of your halves. Hopefully I'll find a few of my own one of these days. I've got a Thersites collection coin coming in soon myself as well.
     
  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Sorry red, nothing to share. Interesting observation about the helmet styles though. Seems there is always more to learn.
     
  7. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Nice Quadrans , red spork
    not sure what you mean with helmet types, the 2 pictures you show are very small.
    Here are mine:

    P1170315.JPG P1170318.JPG
     
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  8. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Anonymous Triens Minerva Prow McCabe.jpg

    I'm not sure about the OP helmet thing either but this anonymous Triens has a cool helmet.
     
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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Interesting observation @red_spork and decent coin.
     
  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Cool observation!! My only 'quadrant' appears helmetless...

    RR quadrans.jpg
     
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  11. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Let's make this thread "republic bronze with hats"! Anonymous Ae Sextans Mercury.jpg Sextans.jpg Uncia 215 BC.jpg
     
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  12. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Cinna.jpg

    Lion skin hat!
     
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  13. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Here are some line drawings that illustrate the difference. The "thick" helmet is from the Goodman collection ticket and the "thin" helmet from one of D'Ailly's line drawings for a coin of this series. Note the line to the left and lines to the right of the "thick" helmet.
    ThickThinLineDrawings.jpeg
     
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  14. Puckles

    Puckles Cat Whisperer

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  15. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    That is a very cool little hipster hat with little wings sticking out! She would look great in that hat!
     
  16. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I wrote Richard Schaefer about this coin to inquire whether he had any other examples with this helmet type in his Republican Die Project. He asked for a few days to update his records and scan things in and contacted me mid-day yesterday with the results. His research found that this "thick" helmet type appears only on the quadrans and only on a single die, with all other known dies of the series(including the other dies of this denomination) exhibiting the "thin" helmet. Multiple examples from my reverse die were found, eliminating the possiblity that it is the result of alteration or overstriking, so I'm not quite sure what to make of this finding. The only possibility I can come up with is that the helmet started out as another symbol("MAT" monogram almost fits) or maybe the engraver tried to cut some other type of helmet and then recut the symbol when his mistake was realized. More study is certainly needed.
     
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  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    That's awesome ...

    red_spork => congrats on scoring that sweet OP-Quadrans

    ... I happen to have an example as well (wanna see it?)

    Anonymous AE quadrans
    128 BC
    Hercules & Prow with Elehant Head


    Anonymous AE Quadrans Prow & Elephant.jpg


    Hey, who snuck that elephant on board?!!

    :rolleyes:
     
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