Obverse Whizzed?

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  1. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Perusing an auction and I am a sucker for beautiful type coins. I was about to put a bid in on this one when I got to looking closer at the obverse. Particularly up around the headdress. Is this evidence of whizzing?

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  3. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    My guess would be yes. Whether mechanical or just heavily wire brushed that coin has obvious marks in the field in front of the figure and as you pointed out there is moved material around almost all features. james
     
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  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't know enough about Indians to say if this is whizzed or a late die state with the die showing a starburst effect wear pattern. It looks weird, but to tell if its whizzed or not you might need magnification.
     
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  5. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    I've noticed whizzed coins to have a very un-natural chrome like appearance and brightness that exceeds the wear of the surface. Other diagnostics are soft/mushy details, and "mushrooming" of the edges of the device and lettering.
    On your coin (through your pictures) I'm not seeing that. As Mr P noted above that coin appears to been struck with a worn die. I tend to agree.
    These observations are made using pictures. Not the best way to judge a coin. YMMV...
     
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  6. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Yes. Whizzed and cleaned to bring back the red. Stay away. The surfaces at first glace look a little like die fatigue, but it isn't.

    I don't have an 1882 with orginal red, but here are a couple of other dates.

    1899 Cent All.jpg

    1909 Indian Cent All.jpg

    Here is my 1882 which is in EF.

    1882 Cent All.jpg
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    @Randy Abercrombie Im sorry to say but yes, it’s been whizzed. Glad you noticed but I’d avoid this coin.
     
  8. 1776

    1776 Active Member

    To me that coin would be a nice looking coin in a album for the right price
     
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    “The right price” would need to be very low. ANA member dealers are supposed to sell whizzed coins.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'll keep it simple - walk away Randy.
     
  11. 1776

    1776 Active Member

    HUH
    Just a FYI: ANA ( of which I’m a member) dealers buy estate lots and other large accumulations which always have whizzed, cleaned,altered etc. they do sell those but most dealers are up front and sell at a steep discount. These type of coins are great for type albums. IMHO
     
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