Hadrian Denarius 134-38 AD Victory Eastern mint

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  1. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Reference
    Strack *43

    Obv: HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS P P.
    Laureate head right; draped left shoulder.

    Rev: COS III.
    Victory seated left, holding wreath and palm.

    2.88 gr
    20 mm
    7h 760 Hadrian Eastern Strack43.jpg
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice addition, Eric.
     
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  4. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Show your eastern copy of Roma mint :D
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I've always wanted an Eastern Hadrian but it has not happened yet. I became aware of then from the ten in the Michael Kelly sale back in 1997 but I spent all my money that day on his Eastern Severans. Now we are working on 20 years since then and I'm still dragging feet. Will this be the year?
     
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  6. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Dear Doug,

    show us your Eastern, any eastern is welcome

    best

    eric
     
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  7. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Now when y'all say "eastern mint" what exactly do you mean? Were these minted somewhere and they just don't know where? Or were these found in the east? Or... something else? Tell us a little bit more about what makes this/these special.

    Also.... newb alert.... when you say "7h" what does that mean? I know grams and millimeters, but I'm not sure what the 7h is referring to.
     
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  8. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    an eastern mint is a copy of a Roman mint
    this coin is Rome mint with same obverse and reverse as coin above
    104Hadrian .RIC345c.jpg

    often the style is better, also the legends are better in style, that it in short..
     
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  9. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Oh, that makes sense. So modern coinage would be "6h". Got it.
     
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  11. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    yes or 12h i guess
     
  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    That's a great coin! The Rome mint under Hadrian was tough to compete with, the OP coin sure gave it a good try.

    Here is a rare Eastern mint copy of a common Rome type.

    V1553.jpg
    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.32g
    Antioch mint, 72-73 AD
    RIC 1553 (R3), BMC - , RSC - , RPC -
    Obv: IMP CAES VESP AVG P M COS IIII; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: AVGVR above TRI POT below; priestly implements
    Ex Ibercoin Auction 18.1, 3 December 2014, lot 5106.

    And here is the common Rome version.

    V356.jpg Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.50g
    Rome mint, 72-73 AD
    RIC 356 (C3), BMC 64, RSC 45
    Obv: IMP CAES VESP AVG P M COS IIII; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: AVGVR (above) TRI POT (below); Priestly implements
    Acquired from Nilus Coins, June 2004.

    The only way to tell them apart is by style. The Eastern mint denarius was misattributed from Rome and I got it for a song.
     
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  13. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    very nice David
    your eastern mint very close on Roma mint :D
     
  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have this one I have identified as Rome mint, but it looks more like your Eastern mint @David Atherton. What do you think?
    Vespasian 4.jpg
     
  15. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Unfortunately Rome.

    The biggest tip off for me in picking out the rare Antioch types is the lettering. Look at how crude it is compared with the Rome mint's neat and fine legend. And of course the portrait style is quite different too.

    Here is another.

    V1557.jpg
    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.11g
    Antioch mint, 72-73 AD
    RIC 1557 (R2), BMC 509, RSC 618, RPC 1929 (1 spec.)
    Obv: IMP CAES VESP AVG P M COS IIII; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: VICTORIA AVGVSTI; Victory stg. r., crowning standard and holding palm
    Ex Pegasi 140, 2 August 2011, lot 319.

    Compare to Rome.

    V362.JPG

    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.42g
    Rome Mint, 72-73 AD
    RIC 362 (C2), BMC 74, RSC 618,
    Obv: IMP CAES VESP AVG P M COS IIII; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: VICTORIA AVGVSTI; Victory stg. r., crowning standard and holding palm
    Acquired from Incitatus Coins, July 2004.

    Again, the legend style is the first clue.
     
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  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Thanks David
     
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  17. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The reverse legends vary somewhat and the style of the portrait is different. The placement of the drapery around Venus is different, too.

    Rome mint:
    Domna Veneri Victr denarius.jpg

    Eastern Mint:
    Domna Vener Victop denarius.jpg
     
  18. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very nice!

    This is best eastern danarii
    1607059_625273620842886_1594459012_n.jpg
    IVLIA DOMNA AVG, Draped bust right; FORTVN REDVC, Fortuna standing left, holding rudder and cornucopia
    Unlisted Syrian mint.
     
  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I used to collect these eastern Hadrian denarii but have parted with a few recently.

    My favourite eastern Hadrian remains

    Hadrian Denarius

    Obv:- HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS, Bare headed, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear
    Rev:- COS III, Mars walking right holding spear and trophy
    Eastern Mint.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Thx Martin,

    indeed a very special denarius, looks like a Cistophorus
     
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