Please Grade: 1794 Half Dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Eduard, Feb 25, 2025.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    How would you guys grade this 1794 Half Dollar?

    Thanks for any and all opinions!

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  3. dwhiz

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  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Good-4.
     
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  5. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    I'll split the uprights with a G6.
    The obv star at 8:30 all blacked out ruins an 8
     
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  6. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    G-6

    I think it's been cleaned a long time ago. Not sure if it would straight grade or not if sent to a grading company.
     
  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think that it will grade. When you get to the Good grade, plus its age, the graders can cut you some breaks.
     
  8. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Grading from photos is not something I do.

    However, as general commentary, this would be a Details piece.
    The photo appearance is suspect for previous "enhancements" to hide damage from graffiti, minor whizzing, rim hits and possible metal repair that didn't work out.

    G4 would be a generous gift.

    I am not certain, but would not be surprised to have it returned in a Genuine AG3 Details Holder. Cleaning would be the least of the issues to consider. Of course it was cleaned.
     
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  9. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    G-4. Straight grade. A 1794 half will not be graded the same as a 1942 Walking Liberty half. What's the difference? 150 years.
     
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  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I’m at a G-6 on this coin. I see no reason based on the photos provided as to why this wouldn’t straight grade.
     
  11. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    If you were to see what most certified G-4 graded 1794 half dollars look like, that piece would look like a Gem. Certified early U.S. copper and silver coins in Good look like something cat drug in after he'd mulled it for a couple hours.

    This 1796 cent is raw, but the dealer from whom I purchased it graded it "Fine." I grade it VG-8. The missing "ONE CENT" in the center is the nature of the beast. The EAC people would net grade it down to Good, but they would charge you Fine money for it.

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    The weakness seen on the eagle on the OP coin is also "the nature of the beast."
     
  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I grade it "good enough, it'll work." Technically, G8. Market-wise, could go G6 for the spot, hard to say.
     
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  13. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Having now reviewed the research of Mr. Young on the 1794 Half, I will add to my comments and thoughts that the piece is suspect.
    Is there any photo(s )of the edge?
     
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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Can you share any more of the info. Until Jack gets here? The crack from wreath to rim between D and S look to be in the right place. Also, the plate coin shows some deterioration thru the F on OF. Most die positions match on Edwards coin.
     
  15. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    My first guess was to go with collecting nut. G-6. Old book; old coin. Brown and Dunn would call it a VG -8 looking in my copy. James
     
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  16. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thanks for all opinions and comments.

    This coin is ex. Jonathan Kern, 1986.

    When I bought it, 1794 halves were considered quite scarce. However, around 2010 a hoard of approximately 150 was released - The Harmony Society Hoard - and this increased the availability.
    The coin is pewter grey and not cleaned as far as I can tell. It is an O-101, R-3, the most common variety for this year.
     
  17. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Knowledgeable fellow, and straightforward, and had a wonderful collection of unusual numismatic items.

    The piece you acquired from him is unusual in that such a piece would normally have been TPG (PCGS ) submitted. He was definitely familiar with TPG grading. Was this piece TPG graded?

    There was not much comparison of FH halves then, and questionable hmmm pieces were not scrutinized that much, because there was such a lack researchers. The equals of Mr. Young were few, then.

    I will be interested in his thoughts when he has the opportunity.
     
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  18. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Slabbing was only beginning in 1986. It’s no surprise that the piece is raw. Given the source and time of purchase, I believe that the coin is genuine.
     
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  19. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Terrific, rare coin Eduard. I thought G4 also. Thanks for sharing.
     
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