Thickness of final plating on U.S. Lincoln 2010 To Date Shield Cents

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  1. ToddB67

    ToddB67 Junior Member

    For the mathematically challenged:
    +/-5 micron = +/- 0.0002 inch variance

    For your future reference, here's how I arrived at that.
    (a) 1/25.4 = 0.03937007874" (one millimeter in inches)
    (b) 0.03937007874"/1000 = 0.00003937007" (one micron)
    (c) 0.00003937007" x 5 = 0.0001968503" rounded = 0.0002"
    (d) Final thickness = 0.0008"+/- 0.0002" , or 0.0006" - 0.0010"

    Thanks Kirkuleez ! :D

    ToddB67
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2017
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  3. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    If a current cent, weighing 2.5 grams is 2.5% copper by weight, then it contains .0625 grams of copper.

    The surface area if a cent (19.05mm diameter, 1.52 mm thick) is 661 mm^2.

    661 * density of copper (0.0027 g/mm^3) * thickness of copper (mm) should equal 0.0625 g. If you solve for the thickness, it comes out to 35 microns, assuming there is no copper in the zinc substrate.
     
  4. Oldhoopster

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  5. Burton Strauss III

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    I don't think it's that simple...

    The high level specifications are listed here:
    https://www.usmint.gov/learn/coin-and-medal-programs/coin-specifications

    That gives you 2.5% Cu, 97.5% Zn with weight of 2.5g, diameter and thickness (19.05mm and 1.52mm).

    I've seen it stated that the thickness of the plating was increased after the first couple years to improve wear. The plating is a trivial portion of the 2.5% Cu.



    FYI - the two companies that produce cent blanks were identified (1996), here, http://www.gao.gov/assets/110/106568.pdf as

    Alltrista Zinc Products - now Jarden Zinc Products
    LaSalle Rolling Mills which sort of seems to still be in business (in 1996, 90% of its work was cent blanks) (May now be known as Zinco)
     
  6. onecenter

    onecenter Member

    At this time, Jarden is the sole provider of copper-plated zinc blanks for the US Mint.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Huh? The plating is almost ALL of the 2.5% Cu
     
  8. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    You are correct...


    Per the Mint's specifications, the cent is 19.05mm in diameter (9.525mm radius) and 1.52mm thick (height) at the rim.

    It's never that simple

    The alloy is 97.5% Zn and 2.5% Cu.
    • Zinc has a density of 7.0861 g/cm^3
    • Copper has a density of 8.9286 g/cm^3
    An alloy of 97.5% Zn / 2.5% Cu (by mass) would have a density of 8.8808 g/cm^3. And a cylinder of 19.05mm x 1.52mm would weigh 3.847g.

    BUT the mint specification is 3.11gm (and we know most of the coin does not reach the height of the rim or it would not stack).

    Simple math gives us 3.11/3.847 is 80.83% or an AVERAGE (height) of 1.229mm.

    Then applying the volume of the cylinder formula (v = Pi * r^2 * h) gives us the volume of 350.3 mm^3

    The volume of the zinc core is that of a cylinder 20 microns smaller (9.505mm x 1.189mm - you subtract 20 microns from the radius, but 2x 20 microns from the height) gives 337.5 mm^3 and a weight of 3.00g.

    The volume of the plating is the subtraction of the two: 350.3 - 337.5 = 12.8 mm^3 or 0.11g.

    So the 20 micron thickness is basically proven.
     
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  9. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    That's the mass of the old cents. The Zincolns are 2.5 g. Fortunately, you switched around your alloy accidentally to be close to the old cents when you computed the density to allow you to arrive at the thickness. Unfortunately, your mass of the plating is too high. I come up with an average (i.e., pre-striking) thickness of 1.223 mm. In my post above, I put the wrong number in for density of copper (not sure where I got it from). If I fix it, and change the coin thickness from 1.52 to 1.223 (surface area becomes 643), then the plating thickness comes out to about 10.9 microns.
     
  10. Burton Strauss III

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    D'oh ...

    19.05mm diameter, 1.23mm thickness... volume is 350.52 mm^3

    Zinc mass is then 2.4375g or volume of 343.98mm^3

    If we call the plating thickness p, height h and radius r (1/2 diameter d) we get the standard formula:

    v = pi * (r-p)^2 * (h-2p)

    from which I make it 10.18 microns of plating...
     
  11. ToddB67

    ToddB67 Junior Member

    Converting microns to inches :

    10.18 microns /25400 = 0.0004007874 inches

    ToddB67
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2017
  12. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Actually, given the accuracy of the 10.18 value is accurate to just 2 significant digits (limit of the mint's specifications), you would have a hard time saying better than

    0.0004"

    10.185 / 25400 = 0.00040098425
    10.175 / 25400 = 0.00040059055
     
  13. ToddB67

    ToddB67 Junior Member

    Thanks Burton ! :D

    So I presume you are suggesting that the thickness might even be thinner than 0.0004".

    Compare that to the average size of the finest hair (Flaxen), 0.0007" to 0.002". http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/BrianLey.shtml

    Even with moderate mineralization, it's no wonder post '82 pennies come out of the ground "ate up" ! :rolleyes:

    ToddB67
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2017
  14. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    I am uncertain if it is acceptable to comment on an older thread.

    Zinc Cent Plating thickness = 8µ, according to:

    ALTERNATIVE METALS STUDY Contract Number: TM-HQ-11-C-0049 FINAL REPORT August 31, 2012 by Concurrent Technologies Corporation, Submitted to: United States Mint, Page 1, Section 1.1
     
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  15. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Sure, Why not. But not all the members that were here in 2017 are still around. Some are.

    Thanks for the information!
     
  16. Pete Apple

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  17. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    Thanks!

    Rumor has it that Plating on proofs is thicker and that they were plated twice. I find no reliable source for that information and hope someone can provide a reference
     
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  18. Fullbands

    Fullbands Certified Authentic Details

    It’s just amazing to me that the plating stands up to the metal flow of the striking process. At all. My brain says it should look like marbling after the strike. Obviously, it does not.

    Rick L.
     
  19. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    have you ever seen split plating and all the other anomalies ?
    I've forgotten the striking pressure (I think it's 35 tons for the penny), but it prevents it from looking weird (until the die wears, or splits, or needs maintenance, etc).
     
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  20. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    I have been studying Copper Plating Dynamics. Here is a rough draft of what I have learned so far. (I have never tried to post a .pdf here so not sure if it will work!)

    I would be interested to see any examples of cracks, splits or ripples anyone is willing to share!
     

    Attached Files:

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  21. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    The contractor that supplies “blanks” to the mint for cents delivers RTS “blanks” (RTS = Ready To Strike). This means that the contractor passes the “blanks” through an upsetting mill. I have noticed that the contractor does not seem to know the word “planchet” as applying to blanks after they have passed through upsetting, so understanding the process may be confusing!

    “When the material arrives in planchet form, the supplier has handled all those previous steps, and all that remains for the Mint is to strike the planchets into coins (as is the case with the one-cent).” 2014 Biennial Report to the Congress, as required by The Coin Modernization, Oversight, and Continuity Act of 2010 (Public Law 111-302), United States Mint, Department of the Treasury , December 2014, Page 4
     
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