PCGS; a marketplace or an academic grade?

This is going to be something. I believe this coin to be a 1968 S no S PF 64 10¢ as we all know, they're different types of proofs.
But when I had it sent in to PCGS for authenticating under variety plus. This is what happened;


Now it doesn't appear to be nothing, but look at the same coin before I sent it in;

The last remaining evidence of what was left of the S, was removed at 2 'o clock of the 8. Now I wouldn't of thought anything of it, if it wasn't countersunk on my graded example. They didn't want the possibility of me sending it too another grading company after it was graded too remove all suspicion. It's a 1968 S less. Here's the full image before and after.

 

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It doesn't look like a proof to me.

 

I don't understand what you are trying to say? Are you saying the PCGS damaged or altered your coin?

The coin is clearly a business strike, not a proof.

Also, the mintmark is above the date, not "at 2 o'clock of the 8" as you indicate: http://www.pcgs.com/news/1968-Proof-No-S-Roosevelt-Dime

 

Looks like a plain ol' business strike to me.

 

Sounds diabolical..........they wouldn't do that.

 

This is going to be something, not what you probably expected though.

I'm certain this thread has been archived as this is pretty ballsy to come here and accuse PCGS of altering your coin!

Im not a lawyer but Im sure PCGS pays lawyers lots of money to litigate these types of claims. Do you have deep pockets?

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I'm pretty sure PCGS isn't going to worry about this as it's pretty obvious what the coin is and it's not worth their time.

 

Never say never. I dont know the OP but Ive heard of competitors of different types of companies going online to trash the others reputation to gain business.

Im not saying this guy is doing it, but, im not saying he isnt either.

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I would think that pcgs going after anyone who says bad things about them would be bad for their business...not good.

 

There is a difference. PCGS sucks vs PCGS removed the S on my coin.

Which one do lawyers usually litigate over?

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Well, when the accuser doesn't even know where the mint mark is located on the coin, it would seem counterproductive to litigate. Let him make the case against himself in the court of public opinion.

 

Looks like PCGS did exactly what they were supposed to do Braydon. Clearly not proof surfaces nor squared rim. I don't know if you came here before about this coin, but if not, you should have. It has been a costly mistake on your part and we could have saved you a lot of time, effort, disappointment and money. Someone else did come by yesterday with a Lincoln cent thinking it was one w/o a mint mark and was worth over $200.00. It clearly was a Philadelphia cent that does not have a mint mark as they did not put them on the cents on the date she showed. I hope we did our job and saved her some money/disappointment.

 

They generally go after the ones that will make them monies. ... like, not some guy on an internet forum asking for advice because the "s' to the right of the date has been removed. I think in this type of case they have to prove that the things stated caused monetary damage or emotional distress... but I'm not a lawyer...

 

I've done this before with varieties... thought I had something that I didn't. They become relatively expensive lessons. What you have now is a MS64 dime that you've invested about $70 into. But I'll bet it never happens again.

 

I know they wont sue him. I was using him as an example.

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@Braydon. Is there anything specific about this coin that made you think it was a proof?

 

Do you know how many different types of proofs they're? There's Matte, there's Frosted, there's Brilliant, then seperate prooflikes. They were in different packages before and after, but you can see that they clearly removed the remnants of what was left of the S. Who else would do such a thing? I was given a marketplace grade, when it should of been a 10,000$ coin. Or else why mess with it? I have the example in cherry pickers guide here

 

Another example from the PCGS website -

 

I/we want "PROOF" of this statement.. I find no such information