Here Is A Very Nice 1933 USA Gold Coin, REAL!

The "good news" part of my post was totally sarcastic.
My attitude is that when any TPG stops calling these tokens and calls them coins, then I will follow suit.

 

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The main TPGs have slabbed various metal, non-coin objects. They claim only that the label is correct. Commonest non-coin objects are medals and tokens. There is a gray area like the nail that went through a coining press. TPGs won’t slab an object they consider nonauthentic. However, “nonauthentic” may not have the same meaning to them as “counterfeit”; it may be a broader term.

An object that was made without government authorization and not in a government-sanctioned facility but has a high resemblance to a coin made or authorized by that government is a counterfeit. At some ill-defined point, the resemblance is not good enough to qualify the object as a counterfeit. For example, I have some 3-inch-wide coasters made to look like Indian head nickels complete with date and denomination. No one is going to call these counterfeits. OK, go ahead; prove me wrong and do it!

I don’t know where Dan Carr objects fall on the spectrum. In part, this is due to my lack of intimate knowledge of Carr objects and because the definition of “coin” differs among individuals and institutions. The U.S. Mint must be well aware of Carr objects. The Mint and Dan Carr have tables at the same shows. Apparently, the U.S. government does not consider Carr objects as counterfeits or that it’s not worth the effort to stop their production. At this point, if they wanted it stopped, I think they would send a cease-and-desist notice and prosecute only if it was ignored.

ANACS grades Carr objects and classifies them as tokens. However, if someone duplicates a Carr object and sends it for grading, it might be returned as “nonauthentic”.

Cal

 

Can these be spent? Can they circulate in the cash registers in the U.S. economy? Yes. Why? They purport to be genuine U.S. Mint issue, that's why. There's the thing that's wrong with these. In all respects they're purporting to be legal tender. Why isn't this punk in prison for it? Nobody in their right mind will let one of these go at face value at the 7-11 because of the cost to them. As a consequence, chances of one getting into the stream of commerce a big fat zero or less, the Feds let him alone.

 

I actually just heard of him from this post and from what I've looked up he's a self-proclaimed sculptor for Moonlight Mint?
To each their own, but I don't see him having a following like Banksy does.

 

I'm curious whether you think his 1964 Peace dollars are also fantasies. These were actually minted and no one knows if they were really all melted or not. Now if the criteria is "officially released by the mint or it's a fantasy" then he's also free to duplicate every pattern and trial/experimental coin that exists. We can all have opinions about where to draw the line, or even that there's no line at all I guess.

 

Banksy is a Joke.. Dan IS an artist and a Master artist at that

 

That's where I'm going to have to have a civil disagreement lol. In terms of artwork goes and what I've seen so far, seems to me that Dan just makes identical counterfeits with little to no creativity while Banksy shows he has it.
I'm not an avid "fan" of the whole counterfeit/art based stuff but I know a little more about Banksy than I do Dan so I might be somewhat biased, but I'm also going off of "immediates."

 

He's also a coiner, and there's no getting around it.

 

But they *ARE* genuine U.S. Mint issues. I believe that Dan strikes these using genuine U.S. Mint issues as blanks. So that apparent 1933 DDO $5 half-eagle is coined on an ACTUAL $5 gold half-eagle, so it is entirely genuine legal tender of the general kind it purports to be. Of course, it is not an actual 1933 dated coin, that part is completely fabricated, it is really some other year. In a way, it is like carving a hobo nickel, what you have is still a perfectly valid nickel, but it was not minted with that design. Doing this alteration with a coin press takes this transformation to another level.

I'm not sure if I personally like these or not, they are definitely provocative and controversial, but that all can make you think, like art does, which I think is good.

 

You make a good point. Leastways, that's what he says they are. In that respect, I'd suppose any counter-stamped coin would fall into the same category, excepting that these are phony dates purporting to be genuine Mint issue, and there's where these are really wrong, holding themselves out as such. Seems to me, anyway.

 

What is someone issued a 1913 Liberty Nickel between 1913 and 1920 when the real ones surfaced? If they were are good as Carr, how could you tell the difference?

 

Carr's wouldn't be graded/wouldn't be worth NEARLY as much.

https://www.coinvaluechecker.com/how-much-is-1913-liberty-nickel-worth/

 

If you could tell the difference between his creation and Brown theft coins.

 

Well that's the problem with the 1964 Peace dollars, isn't it?

 

So you're asking if there's a way to tell the difference between someone who is undeniably known to make illegal/tip toeing on the line of counterfeiting coins and a theory?

 

That I don't know. I haven't dealt with Peace Dollars as much as I have with V Nickels. Brief search about the '64 Peace Dollars state: "that the '64 Peace Dollar is so controversial that PCGS is offering a $10,000 reward just for them to SEE this elusive treasure. Mint record indicate that there were just over 300,000 minted, but these coins were never to be released to the public."

 

Yes, it could be. The “common knowledge” is that the government recovered them all from the mint employees who were supposed to have gotten them and melted them all. They should have sent one to the Smithsonian collection, but that is a personal opinion,

The urban legend, which might be true, is that they are in the underground. A reliable dealer, whose opinion I respected, told me he saw one “under cover, in the dead of night.” Unfortunately that dealer has passed on, so the mystery continues.

 

Smithsonian's making out better than some of the coin owners in my opinion lol. Farouk had 2 of them at some point (If i can recall correctly, the one I do know he had was the Olsen-Hyde), both ended up going to the Smithsonian. To have at least one of the '64 Peace Dollars there too? I'd say "I'd be jealous", but I'm already jealous.

Update: He sold the Olsen-Hyde then bought the Norweb, both of which are now in the Smithsonian.

 

Smithsonian has two 1933 double eagles as well.

 

I identify as a museum now.