Naturally or Artificially Toned?

I purchased a roll of Morgan Dollars and the dollar on each end of the roll was toned. Do you think these Morgan Dollars have been artificially toned or do the look naturally toned? Pics "Morgan 1-4" are of one coin and "Morgan 7-9" are of the other coin.

 

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looks strange. maybe NT. are you gonna take it out of that roll ?

 

Do you plan to open this roll, or are you just trying to flip them the way they are? I ask because the condition of the obverse may help to answer your question.

Chris

 

If this is the original paper I vote for NT
Nice toning......

 

Depending on the age of the rolls I would say naturally toned. End rolls using tone differently and if you open the roll and the other side is blast white you can be it is natural.

 

+1
At the very least "market acceptable".
Some "market acceptable" coins I've seen look like somebody used dykem to make tie-dye coins. OP's coins don't have that appearance. It's the type of colors that come out after spending 40+ years in certain types of non-airtight plastic, imo.

 

I bet these came from Ebay. I've seen four like it. They came with an invoice from the bank!

IMO, the rolls are NOT ORIGINAL. The toning MAY be market acceptable but you'll need to send one in to find out. Before you send one to a TPGS, open the roll. If the coins are not the same date with most being the exact same die state, it is 99.9% a made up roll w/two AT coins on the ends.

When Uncirculated dollars are in rolls like this it was done at a local bank.
Bank cashiers did not take them out of Mint bags. Someone here may know if the Federal Reserve Bank also rolled the dollars they received from the Mint.

Let's leave out the case where a person with some vintage coin wrappers makes up a roll. Key to originality inside the roll is the originality of the end crimp. This roll is not crimped.

 

Can you clarify what you mean by "original"? I thought silver dollars only got distributed and stored in bags, and that rolls only came along well after they went out of production.

 

Im going with Artificial based on the fact that the color progression does not seem to match what I would consider as natural.

 

There has been much discussion in the past about "original" rolls of Morgan dollars for sale on ebay. One ebay seller even had history of purchasing the paper to make the rolls. My vote is intentionally toned.

 

Im pretty sure also that the original time period rolls had the flaps on the end which you folded over? Here are some photos of some genuine end roll toners that have been documented as original.

 

Does not look natural to me. I don't know if PCGS/NGC/ANACS would consider it market acceptable or not.

 

I always considered this Franklin to be roll toned, possibly the penultimate specimen. and i could be mistaken but i believe this Walker is what an end roll toner from a shotgun roll should look like ..... jmo

 

When did they first start rolling silver dollars in paper rolls?
I think it was after the early 1900's.

 

There is no such thing as natural or artificial toning. A given coin is either market acceptable or not.

 

"Original" with the understanding that rolls for coins didn't exist when Morgans were being minted....

That's almost certainly album toning, which generally starts at the rim and proceeds inward evenly. Roll-end toning is very much different, as coinguy-matthew's images indicate. To one extent or another, the entire exposed surface of the coin tones.

 

I agree with everything here, and it very well could be.... Except i wasnt calling mine EOR or end roll , my exact words were penultimate which means the 2nd to last. Atleast i thought thats what it meant and if not then i see the argument youve presented

 

I propose we both agree to remain dazed and confused by what we both said.

 

...I just want to see the other side... where did OP go?

 

This is a forum of opinion; however, I should expect one more clear from both a numismatist and chemist of your stature!

I think I understand the point you are trying to convey with just a few words. What about this:

There is a difference between natural and artificial toning ; however, in many cases the result of either (on an atomic level) may produce the same changes to a coin's surface. Whether the toning occurred naturally or was speeded up artificially, if it does not have an "acceptable look" as judged by the "market," its color will be deemed to be artificial.