Unpublished fracional of Araxa??

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Any luck yet? The lion head looks a lot like one on a Litra from Bruttium, but I saw no fish reverses from this area. I did see several bronze Hercules wearing lion skin / Tunny fish on the normal search sites, but again none like yours.
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    No luck yet Gene, but I've emailed the pic out to a few bigger dealers to see if they recognize it.
     
  4. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    I cannot read Lycian or Punic. The alphabet reminds me of this coin depicting a fish from Gades. That coin's obverse shows Herakles/Melkart *wearing* a lion skin, rather than the lion skin itself.
     
  5. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I can see the similarities between Punic and Lycian, which makes sense as they both ultimately derive from Phoenician. But the letters on my coin are definitely Lycian, see here. ARA, but upside-down relative to the fish, which is curious.
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    ARA is an acronymn for the American Restaurant Association. Perhaps the fish is going to be served up as a dish! Yum!
     
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  7. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

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  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Damn, nice sleuthing Ed! No, I am not that John Anthony - we just happen to share two names. Anthony is actually my middle name.

    So BMC has ARLTHI as the legend. What does it mean? My coin clearly reads ARA. The third letter is definitely not L, which is identical in Lycian to the Greek lambda, Λ.
     
  9. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    The BMC coin "has" the inscription A[RLTHI], which means it has the inscription A and someone guessed the rest might be RLTHI. If you look at the list of Lycian dynasts two candidates are Harpagus=Arppakhu and Artembares=Arttum̃para. I am not sure how the Lycians abbreviated their names or did suffixes.
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    You've given me a lot to work with. Thanks VERY much for your help!
     
  11. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    There is one more thing to do. The type of fish needs to be determined. I am not a fish guy but those fins look distinctive. It looks like a real species of fish, not a mythological fish. Find a web site for amateur ichthyologists (or Turkish fishermen) and ask for an ID.
     
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  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow JA => I'm absolutely lovin' that wee lil' coin (obverse & reverse are both very sweet)

    Ummm, but is it recently chipped/broken, or is that old damage? (just curious)

    ... very cool addition

    Oh, and I would also like to thank Gandalf's Amazonian women for stopping by

    :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

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  14. doucet

    doucet Well-Known Member

    Hi John
    It's a very nice looking coin.

    Here is one described as AR found on ACsearch. Even has a similar chip.

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    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1165526

    Translation:
    DYNASTES OF LYCIA, uncertain dynasty, AR hemiobolus, 4th c. Av. Unpublished. Right: Muzzle of face lion. Reverse: Fish on the left. Below, the letters APA. The whole in a pearl circle inscribed in a circular hollow. 0.21g. Chipped. Black patina. ...
     
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  15. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yes, that's my coin, thank you @doucet ! The only reason I didn't find it was because I was too lazy to do my searches in French as well as English.
     
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