Ostrogoth bronze? Some ID help

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by montanvs, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. montanvs

    montanvs Member

    Hey there,

    New to the board, but long time collector, especially late Roman/migration era coins.

    I am curious about a new coin in my collection that I can't seem to attribute. I'm hopeful that someone could perhaps help out.

    My research indicates that it may be a Theodoric coin, however that monogram is not something I can find in that exact style. Also a similar variation (without the extra horizontal line) is known for Theodoric but only on his silver siliqua coins....

    Anyhow any help and thoughts is appreciated. It doesn't look crude enough to be barbaric imitation in my opinion. The crude monogram coins are much more obvious from what I've seen.

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    Cheers
    Markus
     
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  3. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I'd have to say its Theodoric as well. Even if its not 100% exact to known monograms of him its still a lot closer than to similar monograms of other rulers like Theodahad and Athalaric. BTW welcome. I am also an avid collector of late Romans and Germanic coinages of this time period (recently got my first Germanic gold coin).
     
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  4. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

  5. montanvs

    montanvs Member

    Thanks. I do like a good mystery, but it would be nice to id that monogram somehow.
     
  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    While I can't help you with your coin @montanvs I do want to offer a friendly "Welcome!" and I look forward to seeing more of your coins.
     
  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Cool Op-addition, montanvs (congrats)

    Ahaha => yah, I knew Jango (VK) would be in there right away!!

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  8. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is an excellent list of published monograms (It is not my site):

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Monogram

    But, it does not include those in Wroth, Western and Provincial Byzantine Coins (which is very old and has attributions are sometimes not accepted any more). I see yours as easier to expand to THEODORIC than the simpler monogram on silver he cites on pages 50-51 and 57 (Some think those monograms, which don't obviously have a "C", actually have the "C" is incorporated by using it backwards (retrograde) included in the D).
    Given the terrible AE coins of the era, I agree it is probably official and of Theodoric. A great find!
     
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  9. montanvs

    montanvs Member

    Thanks for your info. I am familiar with that link which is great. Would be nice to have a similar one (link) for these later monogram coins. If it's an official mint it would be interesting to know if another example is known or if it's a newly identified monogram of his.
     
  10. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    You and @ValiantKnight are certainly correct on this one, it's just another of a growing number of variants to the monogram style of Theodoric. BTW, it's probably not a halo above the initial "R", just a bar which does appear on at least one other of these types.
     
  11. montanvs

    montanvs Member

    Thanks Brian. Good point about the halo being a bar. There are other ones with that is place (although normally it extends out from the R, not on top). Some Athalaric monograms are close as well, although they don't have the D.
     
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