Flavian Restitution Issues.

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  1. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    These type of coins issued by the Flavian dynasty fascinate me in as much as the way they used their coinage to connect to the Julio-Claudians, I have a couple but would like to see other examples of these scarce but very interesting AE AS, first in emperor order is this Tiberius issued under Titus, Rome 80-81 AD, 27mm, 11.1gm, RIC 432. Please post your Flavian or other emperor Restitution coins. 20161128_093542.jpg 20161128_093508.jpg Claudius issued under Domitian Rome 81-82 AD, 9.3gm, S.2899. 20160811_154044.jpg 20160811_154105.jpg
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I've also found those interesting.

    I would not have guessed that that Claudius AE was struck under Domitian!

    (PS- love that portrait and patina on it, BTW.)

    I see "REST" in the legends of both of your pieces. I suppose this is the first clue?

    I guess this Vespasian struck by Titus isn't quite the same thing you're referring to, since it's not honoring a Julio-Claudian but is rather a Flavian-to-Flavian posthumous honor. Does that make "Divus" coins like this "restitution" issues as well? I'm a little foggy on the terminology.

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  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    The Flavian's need to 'connect' with the Julio-Claudian clan was very strong, as evidenced in these restitution issues and the many antiquarian reverse types they struck.

    Your two restitution coins are marvellous!
     
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  5. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Thanks I agree for a black patina (Claudius) it has great device highlights, to answer your question IMO, the Divus coinage was more a term for honoring the deceased emperor or empress, but let's not get technical terminology get in the way of a fun thread. Divus is fine and just as interesting.:D:D
     
  6. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    It's my understanding that "Divus" meant that the person had been declared a god (e.g., the "Divvs Avgvstvs" bronzes issued by Tiberius to honor Augustus) which could only be done after the death of the person. So coins with "Divus"will be restoration coins issued under a later emperor.
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    DIVVS AVGVSTVS:
    RI Augustus DIVUS  under Tiberius 22-23 CE Radiate Alter Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Augustus DIVUS under Tiberius 22-23 CE Radiate Alter
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great looking Restitution issue @Ancient Aussie .

    I have another hidden in my files as DIVO:
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    RI Constantius I Chlorus 293-306 CE DIVO AE Quinarius Thesalonika 317-318 Seated RIC VII 25 R5 RARE
     
  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Terrific examples guys!!!
     
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Divus honors a deceased emperor but REST restores a coin type previously issued by an earlier ruler. Coin can be both like my holey Nerva REST of a Tiberius Divus Augustus. The best of the REST are Trajan's but I'm not able to afford them.
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    A bit unusual in the Divus group is this Provincial of Odessa with Greek legend DIVO CEVHPO piEIO.
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  12. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    I can see how we can tell which deceased emporer is being honored but how can we tell which living emporer is doing the honoring?
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Marcus Aurelius.jpg
    MARCUS ANTHONY RESTITUTION
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: ANTONIVS AVGVR III VIR R P C, Galley left.
    REVERSE: ANTONINVS ET VERVS AVG REST, legionary eagle between two standards, LEG VI between
    Struck at Rome, 168AD
    3.81g, 20mm
    RIC III 443 (Marcus Aurelius) ; BMCRE 500
     
  14. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    That isa great example @Bing I was look/drooling over an example of forvm shop
    Nowhere as nice as yours.
    I did a coin toss it was tails which means no new coin purchases until the first of the year. (atleast thats what she thinks):angelic:
     
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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Doug showed an example of this coin which just made me want one. So I hunted for months before I came across this example.
     
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  16. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Here is a Flavian throwback to M. Antony on a coin of Titus.
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  17. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Let's distinguish the terms "restoration" and "commemorative." Any DIVVS piece commemorates a deceased person. However, it is not a "restoration" piece unless it reproduces a previous type. So the OP types are "restoration" types because they reproduce old types with a new legend mentioning the new issue ("REST", restored). Most DIVVS types, including some posted in this thread, do not meet this criterion. They are "commemorative" coins but not "restoration" coins.
     
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  18. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    On the reverse legend of my two you can see IMP.T (Titus) and on the reverse of the Claudius one you can see IMP.D (Domitian) and on Doug's Augustus one the eagle reverse IMP.NERVA.
     
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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I stand guilty as charged coercing Bing into this one. I think it is a neally neat type with some great minor details. It commemorates the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Actium which, for all practical purposes, established the Roman Empire with Augustus as its master rather than Mark Antony. The coin needed some modifications before it could be a restoration. When Antony issued his legionary denarii, AVG abbreviated Augur (a priestly office) but in the 200 years that followed it came to mean Augustus which was the title that was held by the #1 Emperor. The name Antonius could be abbreviated ANT back in the day but 200 years later people would read it as Antoninus, the name of recent and current rulers so it had to be spelled out, too. Those evil coin pushers, Bing and Doug, got theirs. Are you next?
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    Bing's is less worn but mine has more sailors and oars. I had never before noticed that difference. Who else has one?
     
  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I can see the "navis rostrata" or ram on my coin where it seems absent on yours. In looking at them both side by side, they almost appear to be separate issues.
     
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  21. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Okay thanks. Reading on my phone instead of my desktop computer makes it hard to see these details.
     
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