Obliterated date on MS65RD two cent?

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  1. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    The 1864 MS65RD two cent piece in the link below is on Heritage's website for their Jan 2017 auction. What happened to the last two digits in the date? Struck through something? Maybe just scratches on the slab? Or??

    No lot number has been assigned yet, so the link may change. It's in a PCGS holder. There is a companion piece of the same grade without the problem.

    Cal

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/two-cent-p...1251-44150.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
     
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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Nah, that's just scratches on the slab. Someone tried to obliterate the date by scratching the plastic, thereby hoping for a higher auction price........ devil.gif

    I'll go stand in the corner..........
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    It has to be scratches. I found the Cert # in this registry and there is no mention of issues with the date.
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    My guess is it is on the slab. Here is a closer look:

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  6. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Looks like a slab problem
     
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  7. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Zoom @ 100% on HA.com shows as scratches clearly on slab, not on coin. You can tell by the fogginess of the area. No idea why someone would intentionally scratch it like that. Maybe they got some glue or something stuck on it and tried to clean with acetone, thereby compromising the plastic.
     
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  8. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The slab was stacked in a double row box and spent a lot of time rubbing against other slabs. When it wasn't in said box, it was being thrown across dirty glass tabletops. Some PlastX and elbow grease will take care of it. I don't know why Heritage doesn't reholder slabs that are beat up like this. This isn't the worst example I've seen, and perhaps having copper in a 5+ year old holder is more desirable than having it in a new one, but I've seen stuff listed by them with 5-6 figure price tags in slabs that look like absolute crap.
     
  9. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    I'm not sure how ANY of that would create the damage to the slab as shown. It's in a recessed area. I still contend there was gunk there and someone tried to take it off with acetone or medium grit (400) sandpaper. Anyway, maybe it will help keep the price down and someone will get a nice piece for a lower price.

    As for a reholder, that might result in a downgrade to RB.
     
  10. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    I don't think a simple reholder would affect the grade, unlike a crack-out, regrade or reconsideration. The label would be changed only if there was a serious mistake like wrong year, mint, denomination, etc. I doubt that any grader sees the coin for a simple reholder request.

    Cal
     
  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Not to mention a downgrade would leave them on the hook for grade guarantee (64 is half the price of 65), although they won't cover a color designation downgrade.
     
  12. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Nope. That's a high point of the slab, even with the stacking tabs. Another possibility is that it was stacked with stapled 2x2s or in someone's pocket with their keys. I see this all the time on PCGS slabs. Fortunately, they're not hard to polish.
    I think it's actually already been reholdered. Note the 7-digit (leading 0) serial number.
     
  13. lkeigwin

    lkeigwin Well-Known Member

    I can guarantee it's slab scratches.
    Lance.

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