Is it ok to Dip cpoins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by spock1k, Jul 19, 2007.

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Is it ok to dip coins?

Poll closed Aug 2, 2007.

  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    11.1%

  2. NO

    15 vote(s)
    27.8%

  3. Depends on the coin

    28 vote(s)
    51.9%

  4. Depends on who does it (TPG, conservators, etc)

    12 vote(s)
    22.2%
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  1. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    or dipped
     
    spock1k, Jul 19, 2007
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  3. coolstuff1776

    coolstuff1776 Junior Member

    agitaiton is motion

    Hi,

    LOL no I don't work for SGS AKA Abon, AKA a guy in Ohio, lol

    The 62 was in an NGC holder and the 64 was regraded at NGC after cracking & dipping.

    As far as agitation.

    Agitation is motion.

    I use plastic locking coin tongs on the edges only and I use straight EZ-est. I emerse the coin for 45 seconds and move it about (agitation) Then remove it and rinse with distilled water, several times. the air dry.
     
    coolstuff1776, Jul 19, 2007
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  4. coolstuff1776

    coolstuff1776 Junior Member

    If the TPG with mega magnification can't tell the coin has been dipped, or as I call it preserved for posterity, then I guess its perfectly safe and will not damage the coin. Thanks for making my point.
     
    coolstuff1776, Jul 19, 2007
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  5. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    You know I just HAD to ask that question. Glad you took it well.
     
    clembo, Jul 19, 2007
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  6. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts


    i guess the only assumption we are making here is that TPG's are right and know best but if they are wrong ;)
     
    spock1k, Jul 19, 2007
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  7. coolstuff1776

    coolstuff1776 Junior Member

    do you think you could tell?


    friendly question.

    if you took a great blast white unk, and a toned unk that was dipped properly and it turned out blast white and i showed you both after dipping the toned one. you feel you could tell which was which?
     
    coolstuff1776, Jul 19, 2007
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  8. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    If professional cannot even tell the difference, I cannot see how the coin is hurt by being dipped.
     
    DJCoinz, Jul 19, 2007
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  9. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    Ah. Thanks!
     
    DJCoinz, Jul 19, 2007
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  10. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Foir one thing in most cases they can tell. For the few instances where they miss a cleaning or dipping, it is not worth the chances in valuable coinage.
    For another thing regardless of what anyone says, if you have a Silver coin with Oxydation on it and you remove the Oxydation, you will remove some of the metal. You can NOT replace the Silver in the same places where it has been removed. Some acutally think they can reverse the process. NO you can't. And a good grading service will see that.
    The most important thing to remember is when people tell you to do something with something that belongs to you and they were wrong, guessing, repeating something they thought was true, it's your item that suffers. The only thing they would say is "Oh well, it worked for me" or "Ooopps. Sorry".
    To preserve a coin for the future by cleaning or dipping is like saying spray the Mona Lisa painting with Laquer to preserve it. Oh that would ruin it? Oh well it's not mine so big deal.
    REMEMBER. If the majority of professionals, dealers, collectors, museum people, Antique Roadshow, coin show people and on and on an on say DO NOT CLEAN OR DIP COINS, maybe they know something.
    If the coins are yours, only you are responsible for them.
     
    Just Carl, Jul 19, 2007
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  11. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts


    ill be very frank if it is a series i collected like modern comems or british india prbably yes but if you showed me a morgan i would not know but my feeling is more from a purist perspective. there is sucha thing as uncirculate din the real sense without any enhancements an one thing which is restored look t the paintings in europe for example they are conserved and they look beautiful but they might not be original.
     
    spock1k, Jul 19, 2007
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  12. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    I don't believe this is true. I'm guessing that every day several hundred dipped coins are submitted to the grading services (PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG). The chances of a BB are very, very low because if it is done right there are no traces. The tiny thin layer of metal taken off is unnoticable even under magnification unless it has been dipped more than twice in it's time. Each dip takes more of the metal off and it will become noticable even without magnification as it will become very dull. I personally think that dipping is just fine if it done to a coin only once (and maybe twice). Any more than that and it will damage the coin.
     
    DJCoinz, Jul 19, 2007
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  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ask any expert, pick them from the best names you can think of, and they will all tell you the same thing - 80% - 90% of all older coins have been dipped - with the possible exception of copper coins. And that includes all of them slabbed by NGC, PCGS, ANACS and ICG. In fact, PCGS quite often will dip a coin - without the owners permission - before they slab it.

    I have said all of this a hundred times - a thousand times - it is all well known and always has been. And the statements that even an expert cannot tell if a coin has been properly dipped are also correct - you can't tell. But there is one thing that does tell you that it has been dipped - common sense. Your own powers of reason. How ? That's easy - it's because coins tone. So if a 100 year old coin is blast white then the odds are 9 out of 10 that it has been dipped. For the only way that it cannot be toned is if it were stored for those 100 years in a completely airtight environment and never exposed to the air.

    Now is it possible that a coin was stored that way, from day one, for all of those 100 years or more ? Yes, it is. But is it likely ? No it is not. So if a coin is blast white, or if you prefer looks like a freshly minted coin, and it is older than say 50 years - then it has in all probability been dipped.

    So if you collect coins, and you say you don't want to own any dipped coins - then you better be ready to throw away or sell up to 90% of your collection. Because, trust me, you own a lot of them.

    Am I saying it is right to dip them ? No, not at all. I prefer my coins in their original state, toned in all their glory. But there is a time when dipping a coin is the correct thing to do. And that is if the toning has reached the stage that it is corroding the surface of the coin - but then and only then is it the right thing to do in my opinion. But it is a fact of life that most of the older coins that exist in the world today have been dipped.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 19, 2007
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  14. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts


    sad but true even worse i agree with you completley but part of me feels we should shut down tpg's if they dip coins without the owners permission they are frauds :(
     
    spock1k, Jul 19, 2007
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  15. vancoin

    vancoin New Member

    Woah that is interesting
     
    vancoin, Jul 20, 2007
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  16. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts


    Wont the owner realize that a black coin has lost allits toning. i am not doubting you just want you to talk a little bit more about that. thanks.
     
    spock1k, Jul 23, 2007
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  17. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic

    Ok on stained/uglily toned silver coins in XF+ condition. Otherwise I would always disagree with it's use (especially on copper)
     
    JeromeLS, Jul 23, 2007
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Yes of course they would. Not sure what else you'd like me to say about it - they do it.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 23, 2007
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  19. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts


    you know some incidents complaints anything like that. I cant imagine every collector takes it lying down and doesnt complain when the cons gets dipped .
     
    spock1k, Jul 23, 2007
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Of course there have been complaints - that's how I know about it. But a customer talking to PCGS about complaints is like talking to a wall - you never get anywhere. I'm not saying that they dip every single coin they grade - but if they, the staff, feel that coin would look better if it was dipped then they dip it.
     
    GDJMSP, Jul 23, 2007
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  21. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts


    when my friend told me that they alter the coins i didnt beleive him i guess i know better now. thanks.
     
    spock1k, Jul 23, 2007
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