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Anyone else see anything standing out about this particular coin?

 

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I am no expert but the coin looks cleaned with a brillo pad. Ugh!

 

Aside from the directional streaks, is that wear on lincoln's high points?

 

SEGS is usually a pretty good service.
But, I think that they missed the boat on this one.
Attractive coin, probably AU-59.5.

 

Added mintmark?

 

The "VDB" doesn't look quite right.....right?

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Is that VBD on the back, or is it just a bad photo?

 

The position and tilt of the S on the obverse makes it appear it came from a 1909 S and not a 1909 S VDB, just my guess on it.

 

Although SEGS is not one of the "preferred" TPGs, I would have thought they were good enough to catch an altered coin.
The streaks don't particularly bother me assuming I can attribute them to poorly mixed bronze.
I'd like to see a better image of the VDB.
And the image could have been "enhanced"; the color looks wrong.

 

That only looks like 3/4 of an "S". Added MM?

 

Looks like an added mintmark coin that has been recolored to me.

That's a bad miss for SEGS. They may not be top tier, but they should catch that one.

 

I'm not sure I see anything wrong with this coin or its grade, although the color of the coin suggests to me it may have been dipped/cleaned in the past -- equally as possible is that the photographic technique used makes it look that way.

SEGS is a better grading company (for classic coins) than it gets credit for, IMHO, and I would be surprised if a counterfeit/added mintmark got past them.

[edited to add the grade of 65 may be a bit high]

 

that S looks all wrong. I'd love to see a closeup pic of that S. I can't tell anything about that vdb as glare is obscuring the B.

 

This coin came up here: http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=597787

A post from the above thread which makes sense to me:

I usually go straight to the "Counterfeit Detection--Reprint from the Numismatist--Volume II". Great section of S-VDBs on pages 37-44. Still without equal in numismatic press as far as I am concerned.

According to this (and some experience I have as well), you are looking at Position III on the mintmark (slightly tilting to the right and position is dead-on for III with "top of 'S' even with bottom of the '9s' in date).

Not sure why people would call this a counterfeit . . . it matches perfectly. Perhaps because it is in a SEGS holder and we automatically suspect it?

 

I was wondering that too... The high points on the obverse are a slightly different tone that indicates wear to me.

 

I agree about SEGS. They do a better job than they are give credit for. However, problem coins can turn up in anyone's holder (and have). I immediately reference the Numismatist reprint guide when I saw this coin, and although the mint mark positioning matches Position III, the bottom of the mint mark still looks wrong to me. Mint mark position III has also been counterfeited in the past, so an altered coin could have the correct placement.

This is a really interesting piece that has people all over the place with their thoughts.

 

According to the book I have there are about ten ways this coin is altered, two are by using different obverse reverse and matching, relief etching a vdb on a regular 1909s, altered 1939s, altered 1929s, punched out S on milled 1909 obverse matched to a vdb reverse, die struck, soldered on S to a regular 1909 vdb, glued on S, and cast.

I think the S on this coin may not match one of the three dies according to the book I have but seems to match a 1909S without VDB die so that was my guess. Without seeing a close-up of the VDB it is hard to say much though as that would be important to determine if it is a legitimate obverse from a 1909S but a faked reverse or anything similar.

 

phew!

To quote David Hall....3 seconds after looking at my alleged 1796 Quarter...""NONE GENUINE""

 

coin holder etc

i also like to have and collect a nice, clean and new holder, capsule, case, box and c.o.a.

 

SEGS MS64 3-cent piece

I found this.


1851-O 3 Cent Silver SEGS MS64Current bid:$53.00 [FONT=verdana, sans-serif](3 Bids)[/FONT]Shipping:+$4.60End time:Aug-18-07 06:41 PDT

I'm not an expert, and this isn't a great picture, but that coin looks like XF at best. Any thoughts?