Toned '45 Mercury

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  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Continuing with my Mercury Dime theme, this is the latest pickup. What do you think of the grade?

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  3. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    That's a tough one. Looks to me an MS coin, but what MS grade was assigned...

    Although surfaces seem to be a much higher grade, due to the uneven toning I would assign an MS 63 to the coin...Mike
     
  4. codydude815

    codydude815 Wannabe coin dealer

    I love mercs, but im sorry to say that this one is UGLY. I would give it ms-62
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ruben this is one of those cases where eye appeal plays a critical role. There is beautiful toning, and then there is toning. And because of the toning on this coin it has poor eye appeal. Now it is true that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but most eyes who behold that coin will see little if any beauty.

    As always, just my honest opinion.
     
  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    This coin is a PIA because its nearly impossible to photo. It actually has a good luster. I think I'll take a movie of it. that was a quick photo taken by hand without even the tripod.

    Ruben
     
  7. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    How can you tell the surfaces are of a higher grade? Is it the lack of scratches?

    Ruben
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's not the luster that is in question - it is the toning. The flat black or brown toning that this coin has, or at least appears to have, is liked by very, very few collectors. Most would even say it is ugly - and that is what harms the eye appeal.
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Because of the (seeming) lack of nicks, taps, and rub. The coin and its rims look "clean" of contact marks/rub. The toning and overall eye appeal of the coin net grades the coin downward -- thus the low MS grade (IMHO)....Mike
     
  10. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    I didn't spend much on it but I borught it from the heritage photo which I thought looked cool ;) But it doesn't look like that motted image that my photo made of it.



    Ruben
     
  11. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  12. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Ruben:
    Now, that Heritage photo is very nice.
     
  13. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    but even still, the toning just doesn't do it for me ms-61/62 tops
     
  14. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    hmmm, well, despite it's seeming lack of eye appeal, it appears to be basically mark free. I'll go MS64 on this one. Try taking some photos in sunlight. Sunlight is good for capturing luster. :)
     
  15. hamman88

    hamman88 Spare some change, sir?

    I agree.

    You have to look throught the toning.
     
  16. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    IMO there comes a point where a hi res image becomes TOO high.
    If you're examining DD's, RPM's, etc. you need very hi res.
    But for an image which represents what you would see if you had the coin in hand you need to keep the image size reasonable.
    Make your image, put it up on your screen and then hold the real coin next to it.
    Then ask yourself the question, "Does the image reasonably reflect what the real coin looks like?"
    Your large images take what could be a reasonable coin and makes it look VERY unpleasant.
     
  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I think the Heritage photo makes the coin look much better, but I'd still be surprised if this made it into a 65 or higher holder...Mike
     
  18. asciibaron

    asciibaron /dev/work/null

    probably graded as an MS66 - it is in an NGC holder. but that coin lacks eye appeal and as such i wouldn't pay more than $18.00 for it - if it's FSB, i'd be surprised.

    -steve
     
  19. OldDan

    OldDan 共和党

    With me it' not the question of if it's a MS or not, but what I'm seeing in what you are calling black toning, sure gives off a blue/green cast when it's observed through filters. I'm of the oppinion that it just may not be toning.
    As for Heritage, they have in the past resorted to doctoring their pics and shooting through filters to eliminate certain qualities. So don't let that fool you when looking at their photos.
     
  20. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    You might be right about this. They don't look that bad in the hand, more like the heritage coin. I think, however, that there is also a need to just take a better picture, which will take a little time that I don't have right now. Soon.

    What is DD's amd RPM's?

    Ruben
     
  21. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Wow old dan, I didn't know that. You think that Photo was doctored? That would be a highly questionable business practice on hertigaes part if true.

    Ruben
     
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