1902 IHC Mechanical doubling or what. first images

another reverse shot.

Here's another.. Same Coin

 

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So I noticed now that the left side dendrils from 7 o'clock to 11 o'clock are not mashed like the right hand side, but are deprssed, and shallow. Not very defined if at all. Looks like all the dendrils on the left hand side are on crack or something.. skinny, weak, not defined at all very well.

 

It is Longacre Doubling alright, and it is common....but it isn't always easy to see from photos. I would take looks at your other coins you have in hand. And I think the article was wrong about it being fixed 20 years before 1902. I find it on almost ever IHC I own and most of mine are later dates. I think the ones of mine that I have seen it on are the 1908-S and the 1909-S.

Speedy

 

Wow.. 1908-S and 1909-S, those must be prone to this kind of doubling. I'm glad I got the final word from you speedy. So, the 1908-S and 1909-S are what make up "most" or almost ever IHC you own? I'm not quite sure I understand you. Is it every IHC you own, or only the 1908-S and 1909-S?

I'll be on my way now..

 

Here's an example of "Longacre Doubling"

If you look at this image, you'll notice what I noted in a previous post. That surrounding the sarif is a very un-defined step. None of the metal runs parrallel to each other at the step, as the coin in question has. I am going to say that this is not Longacre Doubling per the descriptive image listed below of an example of Longacre Doubling.

 

Neither, that's longacre doubling, common on IHCs...Mike

[edited to add: I see someone beat me to the punch]

 

GDJMSP, I had not noticed that longacre doubling occurs mostly on both sides. Although I remain open to the possibility, a quick parusal of my collection does not confirm your hypothesis:

First an IHC proof (showing doubling on only the obverse):


Now an earlier IHC (showing doubling only on the reverse):


Here's a gold dollar (showing this type of doubling on both sides):


Perhaps the above is just the exception to the rule...Mike

 

Well I really don't collect IHC---and so I only own a few. I have owned 2 1908-S's and I own a 1909-S and other than that I really don't own that many more at this time. But I have viewed Longacre Doubling on many coins that I have either bought and sold or just viewed.

Speedy

 

I need to take a better shotof the other side of the T. I do not believe that there is the same shelf on the other side. I think what the image shows is a shadow from the lighting that was directed from 1 o'clock.

Any thoughts on the dendril damage?

 

O.K...I'm going to accept the Longacre Doubling. BUT, if anyone has any other thoughts, please leave them too.

I don't want to seem like I can't accept a consensus.

 

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Duh. You're right, I did misunderstand you. :rolling: I am easily confused.... :goofer:

I concur with your assessment. Although I've seen die wear often weaken one side of the letter or the other, the majority of coins that exhibit this characteristic do so consistently around the lettering in which it appears.

 

1902 indian

yes,this is a good example of strike,or machine doubling,I have seen it on many indians,and it is quite a common strike quality for this series,this is a nice clear example,but i don't believe that it would carry any premium,I remember the first time i saw one,i think it was an 1867 vf-xf,and i asked around to alot of more experienced dealers,and they said it was quite common,and since then i've noticed the same things on several other dates,also i've determined it on my own by looking at thousands of coins that it is not a double die,or rarity of any great significance......that's just my experience on this....

 

Thank you, Nice to have an image to post here at Cointalk.org. Thanks for your input. I've had a great weekend. secured 1200 IHC. I get my first look on Monday. I'll post the news.