Another Morgan from My Collection

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  1. jfscmedic

    jfscmedic Well-Known Member

    1878 7/8 TF Strong NGC AU-58


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  3. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Nice Morgan and close ups, but tell me why a 58 ? Expert advise please, only helps with my understanding why not a 62 ?
     
  4. jfscmedic

    jfscmedic Well-Known Member

    I thought it was nice and the price between a 58 and 60 on the Greysheet is $85 VS $170 :jawdrop:
     
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  5. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    @jfscmedic
    Very nice example of an old Morgan first year...I like everyone of them!
    Here's mine...when I look at it, it's hard to put it down.

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  6. coin_nut

    coin_nut Well-Known Member

    That's the first time I've seen the word "Strong" in a coin description. Can someone please explain? Are there "Weak" coins as well?
     
  7. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    With the 1878 7/8 TF there were several VAM varieties...I'm not an expert as to how many, but as the rev die wore out from minting thousands of coins, the strike on the underlying 8 tail feathers was either "strong" or "weak" or somewhere in between. Here's more info that describes it much better than I can.

    http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dol...organ_dollars/1878_7over8TF_morgan_dollar.htm
     
  8. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    These terms apply to the transitional-die 1878-P's, 8 tailfeather dies hubbed over by the newer 7 tailfeather design. Some of the tailfeathers of the older hub are visible under the new one, and PCGS refers to them as that depending on how many are visible (3 for Weak, 4 or more for Strong). This particular coin is a VAM-41B (I think, depending on the clashing), a Top 100 variety.

    Fish's coin, I think, is a VAM-38. If he shot a closeup of LIBERTY, it would make your eyes blur. It has the strongest doubling of LIBERTY in the entire Morgan series. :)
     
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  9. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    You will also see it on 1882 O/S Morgans OMM (over mint mark)

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    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

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  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Where you won't see it is in the discussions of the variety collectors of Morgan Dollars. 7/8TF's are identified by variety, and O/S coins by Early and Late Die State. The "Weak" connotation lessens the character of the variety being described - the most valuable Morgan variety of them all, the one we call the "King of VAMs,"is the 1878-P VAM-44, a 7/8TF "Weak" example. The "Weak" versions (EDS) of the 1882-O/S varieties (there are three, despite PCGS' lack of interest in differentiating them) are the rarer and more valuable, commanding significant premiums over their "Strong" peers.

    There's a reason why VAMmers are derisive of PCGS and NGC attribution.
     
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