Another Severan: Forming a portrait of a lovely functional Roman family

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  1. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I never planned to work my way through silver coinage of the entire Severan dynasty, but somehow things are slowly trending that way. Today I took one step closer to that by adding Granny Elagabalus, a/k/a Granny Maesa. (Expert at selecting mad boys to rule empires).

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    Julia Maesa, c. 165 - c. 226 AD.
    AR denarius, 20mm, 2.1g, 12h; Rome mint, 218-220 AD.
    Obv: IVLIA MAESA AVG. draped bust right.
    Rev: PVDICITIA, Pudicitia seated left, drawing out veil from shoulder with right hand and holding sceptre in left.
    Reference: RIC 268.

    Nothing like a fine portrait of a super powerful ancient woman to warm my collector's heart. As always, my thanks to the world famous ancient coin hand modeler JA for his magnificent agility and skills at modeling this ancient beauty.

    And to keep Granny Elagabalus company, here are my other members of this very functional Ancient Roman Family, which was the epitome of family love and devotion to duty (If you are about to object, look up the word sarcasm in Webster's Dictionary).

    Septimius Severus Neptune denarius.jpg
    Daddy S, a/k/a Emperor Lady Tickler (Spent so much time styling his beard he forgot to raise his kids)

    Caracalla Denarius 201AD As Sol Rector Orbis.jpg
    Baby Knife Attack, a/k/a Emperor Brutus (Don't turn your back on this bad boy)

    Julia Domna DIANA LUCIFERA.jpg
    Big Mamma D, a/k/a Lethal Mamma (If she invites you for a drink with her son Baby Knife Attack, watch your back!)

    Alexander Severus denarius.jpg
    Mamma's Boy, a/k/a Emperor Tent-bed Wetter (famous for wetting his tent bed as Maximinus' men came to kill him)
     
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  3. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    One question though, why were the denarii of this period so all over the place? I've seen Severan dynasty denarii ranging from 2.1g all the way to 3.7g
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Cool addition, I have had many of her.

    She does have a younger portrait.

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    Julia Maesa (218 - 225 A.D.)
    AR Denarius
    O: IVLIA MAESA AVG Draped bust right.
    R: IVNO Juno standing facing, head left, holding scepter and patera.
    3.3g
    20mm
    RIC 254 RSC 016

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    Julia Maesa (218 - 225 A.D.)
    AR Denarius
    O: IVLIA MAESA AVG, Draped bust right.
    R: FORTVNAE REDVCI Fecunditas standing left, raising hand over child and cornucopia.
    Rome
    18.8m
    3.1g
    RSC 14

    Rare Engravers Error:

    This coin features Maesa's Fecunditas type, RIC 249 = RSC 8, and should have been labeled FECVNDITAS AVG.

    It implies that Maesa's FECVNDITAS AVG type and Elagabalus' FORTVNAE REDVCI type were being produced simultaneously, that is in 219 AD, the known date of the FORTVNAE REDVCI type.

    This error is not unpublished: Cohen 14 reports a specimen in Paris, RIC 252 takes it over from Cohen.

    About the 6th known of this type, found two other specimens with the same combination of type and legend, both from the same reverse die but feature a young Maesa bust. This type features the older bust type.

    Possibly unique to feature this particular bust.

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    Julia Maesa (218 - 225 A.D.)
    AR Denarius
    O: IVLIA MAESA AVG, Draped bust right.
    R: IVNO, Juno standing facing, head left, holding scepter and patera.
    Antioch mint., 218 - 220 A.D.
    1.97g
    20mm
    RIC IV 256 var. (diademed); RSC 20a
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    One I just posted is 1.97, less than yours.

    And when I asked Curtis about my coin's weight, the summon total of it was "just how they are".
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Putting myself in that situation, I think I might wet myself as well.

    Nice set of coins.
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Longer answer: Several mints using several degrees of care producing coins of various degrees of silver quality buried in many different soils will make things vary more than you would like. Weight sometimes did matter. We see some heavier ones when it was politically expedient to be and lighter when the emperor was out of town and all that mattered was banging out coins. Wht mattered was getting the right number of coins out of a pound of silver not how close they matched each other.
    I have a couple at 3.9 and a couple others at 1.9g.
     
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  8. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    my only severan silver of the year....to date...

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    Geta. AD 200-205. AR Denarius
    O: Bareheaded, draped, and cuirassed bust right R: Geta standing left, holding baton and scepter; trophy of arms to right. RIC IV 18; RSC 157b. 20 mm, 3.8 g

    pretty chunky at 3.8 g.
     
  9. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Well, here she is with a background added

    Julia Maesa Pudicitia.jpg
     
  10. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    VERY NICE @Sallent !!

    Amazing how we all seem to stall in one 'area' or another for a while without even intending to.

    Great post guys!!

    My example seems like a match LOL
    Julia Maesa obverse.jpg Julia Maesa reverse.jpg
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My opinion: You got a good coin for a good price. I expected that one to draw more than one bid but those who held back lost out. It would have been an upgrade to my coin of the reverse and I almost bid but you know I'm cheap and figured I'd never sell mine.
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    If you're looking to read about the Severan women, I recommend these two books:

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  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sallent => congrats on adding another coin-chick to your collection (NOTE: Mat pimps-out these girls, so don't piss him off)

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    Oh, and I also have one lone example of this fine lady (reverse) ...

    Ummm sure, she may have taken a few punch-marks in her time, but overall she's still lookin' pretty fine considering that she's over 1700 years old, right?!

    Cilicia Ninica-Claudiopolis, AE37 (w c/m)
    222-235 BC
    Severus Alexander with Julia Maesa

    Cilicia Ninica-Claudiopolis.jpg
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2016
  15. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Very nice @stevex6 . I love those punch marks. That coin has so much character.
     
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  16. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Nice Severans everyone!

    Here is a Severus Alexander with a die break reverse.
    SeverusAlexanderO2jpg.jpg SeverusAlexanderRx4.jpg
     
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I do not have the Empresses, however, I do have the Severan Dynasty Emperors:

    SEVERAN DYNASTY:
    RI Septimus Severus 193-211 AR Denarius Genius Sacrificing Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Septimus Severus 193-211 AR Denarius Genius Sacrificing

    RI Caracalla 198-217 AR Denarius MONETA Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Caracalla 198-217 AR Denarius MONETA

    RI Geta AR Denarius 209-211 CE On horse spearing enemy Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Geta AR Denarius 209-211 CE On horse spearing enemy

    INTERLUDE OF THE DYNASTY:
    RI Macrinus 217-218 AE25 CE Facing Quadriga Obv-Rev.jpg

    RI Macrinus 217-218 AE25 CE Facing Quadriga

    RI Macrinus and Didumenian 217-218 CE AE28 Markianopolis mint Serapis Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Macrinus and Didumenian 217-218 CE AE28 Markianopolis mint Serapis

    RETURN TO THE DYNASTY:
    RI Elagabalus 218-222 CE AR Antoninianus Radiate Roma seated Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Elagabalus 218-222 CE AR Antoninianus Radiate Roma seated

    RI Severus Alexander 222-235 CE AR Denarius laureate Victory stndg Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Severus Alexander 222-235 CE AR Denarius laureate Victory stndg

    FINIS
     

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  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Here are a few more of my Sev-women ...

    Julia Domna

    Julia Domna too.jpg


    Julia Paula
    Julia Paula AR Denarius.jpg


    Julia Mamaea

    Julia Mamaea.jpg


    Orbiana

    Orbiana.jpg
     
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Hmmmm.... this is the EXTENT of my Empresses, and it looks like they are in the Severan Dynasty:

    JULIA DOMNA & 1 JULIA SOAEMIAS:
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  20. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Mama's boy in copper
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  21. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Here is my Caracalla Sestertius:

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